Have you ever spotted a UFO? Page 2

Quote: SlagA @ February 9, 2008, 8:53 PM

*snip lots of sciencey guff*

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Trouble with all of those arguments is that they're based on the science that we know, and based on the laws of physics which we're subjected to on Earth. But the whole point of aliens is that, well, they're alien. We don't know about them, they're different. UFOs are UFOs because they're unidentified. This particularly pisses me off when scientists write off whole planets or star-systems as incapable of supporting life because there's no oxygen or water. Bollocks! How self-centred is that, to rule out so much just because WE need water and oxygen and whatnot to survive. Doesn't mean other beings elsewhere need them, and likewise on the physical experimentation argument, maybe there's a reason 'they' would use anal probing or whatnot as opposed to scans. It seems to me that we rule out a lot of possibilities through our own self-centred egotistical nature and refusal to even entertain other possibilities which are beyond the knowledge we have.

Quote: Aaron @ February 9, 2008, 10:46 PM

Trouble with all of those arguments is that they're based on the science that we know, and based on the laws of physics which we're subjected to on Earth. But the whole point of aliens is that, well, they're alien. We don't know about them, they're different. UFOs are UFOs because they're unidentified. This particularly pisses me off when scientists write off whole planets or star-systems as incapable of supporting life because there's no oxygen or water.

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I agree!!

Quote: Aaron @ February 9, 2008, 10:46 PM

This particularly pisses me off when scientists write off whole planets or star-systems as incapable of supporting life because there's no oxygen or water. Bollocks! How self-centred is that, to rule out so much just because WE need water and oxygen and whatnot to survive.

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I've always thought the same thing.

I haven't. But will from now on.

Aaron

I think you make a good argument providing your talking to people who don't have a basic grasp of chemistry, biology and physics. (Hows that for an insult?)

I am an alien from ur-wang, sent here to study the thing you puny earthlings call comedy. Based on what I have seen on this site I can say it is puny and no threat to our mighty clown empire.

With in 7 days your planet will be crushed by a giant custard pie.

You will then pounded with knock knock jokes from beyond your atmosphere.

Already one of our deep cover clowns runs your United States.

All hail the mighty Space Clown empire.

Quote: sootyj @ February 10, 2008, 12:45 PM

All hail the mighty Space Clown empire.

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That movie was terrible! Funny yes..but terrible none the less.

Sigh... we're the other Mighty Space Clown Empire, God people are always mixing us up.

There's nothing worse than annihilating a civilization, only for the last survivor to croak,

"Your from that film aren't you?...it was crap but the acid custard pies were funny, and how did that ice cream van survive it's crash landing?"

Personally, I think it's arrogant of us to presume there's intelligent life on this planet, let alone elsewhere

If they obey a different set of physics (which is possible) they would still have to obey our physics when they get here.

Another biochemistry is also not impossible (Gieger's Alien is a neat picture of one) but then aliens from those worlds would naturally be exploring planets that support their bio-chemistry rather than planets such as ours (in the same way we're seeking out earth-like planets). So chances are different bio-chemistries would rarely bump into each other.

I think the greatest chance of finding other life is interdimensional but the hardest problem with that is "how do you recognise a being from a higher dimension when it appears in our 3-d world?" There's a great book called Flatland that looks at this problem from the point of view of a 2d world being visited by a 3d sphere.

I think we'll get our aliens but they won't be who they claim to be. I don't even trust our own government, so I'm hardly gonna be inclined to trust an alien's government, whether left or right wing.

Quote: SlagA @ February 10, 2008, 6:12 PM

I think the greatest chance of finding other life is interdimensional but the hardest problem with that is "how do you recognise a being from a higher dimension when it appears in our 3-d world?" There's a great book called Flatland that looks at this problem from the point of view of a 2d world being visited by a 3d sphere.

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YEA MAN! String theory all the way! Check out the Elegant Universe I think you would appreciate it SlagA if you have not read or watched this already.

Curt, I wrote a novel incorporating string theory and the schroedinger's cat paradox. I love love love it.

Quote: SlagA @ February 10, 2008, 6:50 PM

Curt, I wrote a novel incorporating string theory and the schroedinger's cat paradox. I love love love it.

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Must have had *drum roll* universal appeal

Quote: SlagA @ February 10, 2008, 6:12 PM

If they obey a different set of physics (which is possible) they would still have to obey our physics when they get here.

Another biochemistry is also not impossible (Gieger's Alien is a neat picture of one) but then aliens from those worlds would naturally be exploring planets that support their bio-chemistry rather than planets such as ours (in the same way we're seeking out earth-like planets). So chances are different bio-chemistries would rarely bump into each other.

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You're still assuming too much! Bloody science, it's far too restrictive. You can't use what we know when discussing what we don't, in this kind of context. We've all seen films or TV shows where alien beings can adapt to life on whatever planet or stellar system they happen to be in. And if they're able to travel through space, then the likelihood is that they'd probably have advanced enough science to bypass all of "our" physics anyway. (God that sounds so geeky.) And ditto the bio-chemistry; just because our bodies are restrictive and need really a pretty specific set of conditions to be met in order to survive, doesn't mean other evolutions of creature would be!

You can't by-pass science!?!

My fear is the saucer will land, and out will come cows, and chickens.

I'd be tried as a war criminal.

Because I eat a lot of meat, before you start maligning me as a zoophiliac.