USA claiming Syria may be using Chemical weapons
Obama said the use of chemicals on citizens is a red line move
Oh?
So your FINE with the Syrian government using bombs and tanks and bullets and missiles?
That's ok
But chemicals is going too far
I read the news today oh boy! Page 1,200
Probably against the rules of war or something.
I agree it's all a load of bollocks, though.
Just don't get it. Although I really should understand that things can happen to the mind after my last six months . . . . .
Quote: Oldrocker @ April 25 2013, 11:34 PM BSTJust don't get it. Although I really should understand that things can happen to the mind after my last six months . . . . .
I think it's a symptom of the ever increasing 'me' culture.
The thin end is everyone thinking they should be a pop star.
The tragic end is blokes believing themselves so important that, if they go, everyone else should go as well.
Quote: Oldrocker @ April 25 2013, 11:34 PM BSTJust don't get it. Although I really should understand that things can happen to the mind after my last six months . . . . .
This seems to be happening more and more. The incredible arrogance, the total inversion of all human principles is astounding and to most, thank God, incomprehensible. I wish I could say I thought it was just mental illness, but I think as lazard says it is indicative of a society that is obsessed with the me culture, maybe Thatcher should have said not only is there no such thing as society, but no such thing as the rest of humanity,even your own children. People seem so self obsessed, so self involved that they feel the world should not continue without them. Beyond madness, it is a sickness at the very heart of the modern world.
Quote: Pingl @ April 26 2013, 9:44 AM BST.../ maybe Thatcher should have said not only is there no such thing as society, /
I only recently discovered that taken in context, she didn't really deny there was a society; she was trying to say we shouldn't blame a 'thing' called society for our problems, because society is really a collection of people.
Quote: Nogget @ April 26 2013, 9:50 AM BSTI only recently discovered that taken in context, she didn't really deny there was a society; she was trying to say we shouldn't blame a 'thing' called society for our problems, because society is really a collection of people.
Its not so much what she meant though, its taken more as an end result of her policies. Thatcher like most modern political weather changers didn't get the outcome they wanted, any more than Attlee did. But her actions accelerated the rise of the me culture. As Harold Wilson's well intentioned destruction of back to back housing and building of Tower Blocks destroyed communities. It is more that she unintentionally perfectly vocalised the outcome of her policies.
Either way, she hasn't been in power for fecking decades. Seems a bit odd to still be blaming her for everything.
Quote: zooo @ April 26 2013, 10:02 AM BSTEither way, she hasn't been in power for fecking decades. Seems a bit odd to still be blaming her for everything.
The echoes of political actions take a great deal of time to percolate their way down. we are still living with the consequences of those policies, as indeed we will suffer in the future for the actions of Blair's financial mismanagement. It takes decades to finally work out the consequences of political actions, often unintentional.
Sure, it takes a while for things to trickle down. But Thatcher demonisation annoys me.
Imagine how annoyed I've been the past few weeks! 
(And I'm definitely not trying to start up a Thatcher discussion. I'm sure we've all had enough of that.)
There's an argument that the cult of self goes back further - back to the end of deference and might well be the natural end point of democracy.
If everyone believes - and has enshrined in law - that they're as good as everyone else - you can see how self-centered-ness could be the outcome.
Mantras like 'you can be whatever you want to be' and 'live the dream' don't f**king help either!
Quote: zooo @ April 26 2013, 10:02 AM BSTEither way, she hasn't been in power for fecking decades. Seems a bit odd to still be blaming her for everything.
She kicked the downing street cat once
Right up the arse
Right up the arse
Quote: zooo @ April 26 2013, 10:37 AM BSTSure, it takes a while for things to trickle down. But Thatcher demonisation annoys me.
Imagine how annoyed I've been the past few weeks!(And I'm definitely not trying to start up a Thatcher discussion. I'm sure we've all had enough of that.)
The thing about Thatcher was she was totally a product of her background, she really wanted a self sufficient country of small entrepreneurs, not the greed laden outcome she got. She was really a free market liberal, that said, certain things were still unthinkable to her. She did not totally free up the markets and never intended to. She thought the idea of rail privatisation was unworkable, how right she was. However she was responsible for the end of the post war consensus and the start of a new consensus. Basically everyone in power since Thatcher has been a Thatcherite, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron.
Quote: Lazzard @ April 26 2013, 10:50 AM BSTThere's an argument that the cult of self goes back further - back to the end of deference and might well be the natural end point of democracy.
If everyone believes - and has enshrined in law - that they're as good as everyone else - you can see how self-centered-ness could be the outcome.
Mantras like 'you can be whatever you want to be' and 'live the dream' don't f**king help either!
There was a ray of light in 1945 with the New Jerusalem, unfortunately it could not be achieved on many levels, reality conspired against ideals, the country being broke after the war, dismantling a huge Empire, the winter of 1948 etc etc. I don't know if basic human rights enshrined self centerdness. Harold Wilson's decimation of old and well established communities and imprisonment of said communities in dehumanising Tower Blocks certainly didn't help society cohesion. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Quote: sootyj @ April 26 2013, 10:59 AM BSTShe kicked the downing street cat once
Right up the arse
Right up the arse
Twice? 
A supermarket chain has been forced to withdraw bags of nuts - for failing to declare they may contain peanuts.