Yes my misreading lol 
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Quote: Nil Putters @ April 14 2013, 3:15 PM BSTShipman.
Quote: Lazzard @ April 14 2013, 11:09 AM BSTThe three points that really jarred have already been mentioned:
1. Bloke decides to melt ice-warrior - You can't have a whole story hinging on such a random act. This is just poor and lazy writing. Thermostats could have gone wrong. As has been said, the Tardis could have triggered something or, more interestingly they could have actually made use of David Warner and had him 'experimenting' on the frozen block or something (the vanity of science) and set the monster off - instead he does some post-modern ironic 80's bands jokes
It doesn't say much for the ability of the wannabe writers on this thread that you and me are the only ones bothered by this, Lazzard.
Too be honest I'm so desperate for crumbs I ignored it.
Besides you're seriously telling me it's worse than the misunderstanding of the word cyborg or the physical impossibility of the Ice Warrior's nude dimensions.
Call yourself a designer you don't even know what to be pissed off about.
Quote: Lazzard @ April 14 2013, 11:09 AM BSTGood and creepy, and the kids enjoyed it - plenty of hiding behind cushions etc.
So that's an improvement
The three points that really jarred have already been mentioned:1. Bloke decides to melt ice-warrior - You can't have a whole story hinging on such a random act. This is just poor and lazy writing. Thermostats could have gone wrong. As has been said, the Tardis could have triggered something or, more interestingly they could have actually made use of David Warner and had him 'experimenting' on the frozen block or something (the vanity of science) and set the monster off - instead he does some post-modern ironic 80's bands jokes
2. Waste of David Warner - what was he for??
3. Once the Ice warrior shed its armour it just became yet another peripheral-vision slithering Alien in the ventilation system.
On the plus-side, no "Clara - gate" storyline.
The downside being we'll probably get a double-dose next week.
Coincidence seem to happen on every Doctor Who. I'm not sure how you'd write it out so it's difficult to criticise...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK7NZ9IDtTc
now contrast Enterprise with the same budget from maybe 2 years ago. There's no comparison why BBC FX so piss poor? And why are they so bloody self congratulatory about them?
Quote: Godot Taxis @ April 14 2013, 3:50 PM BST
It doesn't say much for the ability of the wannabe writers on this thread that you and me are the only ones bothered by this, Lazzard.
F**king hell, our posts are going to grow to Tim Walkeresque proportions if we're now expected to detail each and every thing that's wrong with New Who.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ April 14 2013, 3:50 PM BST*
It doesn't say much for the ability of the wannabe writers on this thread that you and me are the only ones bothered by this, Lazzard.
You're mistaking 'not mentioned' for 'not noticed'. Yes, that could have been dealt with better, it made no real sense.
Actually it's an example of Dr Who story lubricant. That when trying to explain a complex story that involves introducing multiple characters, settings, ideas etc. There has to be a certain amount of acceptance of ridiculous settings or else the whole story gums up.
Personally I'd prefer more 2-3 mini series but that's just me.
I mean in the height of the Cold war 2 people appear on a soviet missile submarine and they don't just open fire?
And why the heck is a nuclear missile submarine carrying a drilling scientist?
The whole point of a nuclear submarine is they surface at the beginning and end of their mission.
It's not a detail, Chip it's the impetus of the whole story and it is as Lazzard suggested 'random'. That's not how you write.
Quote: Matthew Stott @ April 14 2013, 4:41 PM BSTYou're mistaking 'not mentioned' for 'not noticed'. Yes, that could have been dealt with better, it made no real sense.
Where's your whofit?
But seriously Godot spin it around what would they have to do to make it believable?
At one stage the captain says we're down to 12 crew. Now even if this is a fantasy Soviet sub that's atleast 100 or 200 crew. SO 90-95% of the crew are dead and no one's even slightly upset?
Or wondering about how dead they are from radiation from a flooded nuclear reactor?
Quote: Godot Taxis @ April 14 2013, 4:48 PM BSTWhere's your whofit?
I haven't done one.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ April 14 2013, 4:48 PM BSTIt's not a detail, Chip it's the impetus of the whole story and it is as Lazzard suggested 'random'. That's not how you write.
Where's your whofit?
Quote: sootyj @ April 14 2013, 4:05 PM BSThttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK7NZ9IDtTc
now contrast Enterprise with the same budget from maybe 2 years ago. There's no comparison why BBC FX so piss poor? And why are they so bloody self congratulatory about them?
Its a simple case of, quick fix CGI which is no different to the shite "wizards vs aliens" on CBBC. I used to like "DR WHO" but its not for me anymore.
But the be suited once warrior was great, it was just trying to keep up when it can't
I mean judoom and siliriams all
Look fine in masks
The show used to be big ideas small effects and now it can't do either
Don't get me wrong, the make up side of things is excellent, but the story's are drip fed, nonsensical shite!