BBC Transgender Comedy Writing Competition...FFS!! Page 11

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ December 30 2012, 5:07 PM GMT

You've called me an idiot twice. If you want to get personal...Mike...then we can make it personal. I, however, would rather not, so I will let your insults slide based on your emotional state and the amount of alien hormones you're pumping into your system.

I could care less about the problems of the GLBT community, I've got my own problems which are far more pressing and important then the whinging of mainly well off, middle class people with high profile jobs in the entertainment industry.

I'm not attacking Trans-gendered people, I am attacking a competition in which they are being given favourable treatment - the opposite of equality. And as usual, people are forgetting that tolerance means 'to tolerate' - not whole heartedly accept and champion a particular cause.

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The reason I have called you an idiot twice is because you still have misunderstould the competition. You can enter it. Anyone can enter it. Noody is being discriminated against!! How many times do I have to say that?! Why don't you enter? Because you totally can. Be as horrible as you want in the script, write about how it is funny that trans people choose, CHOOSE to cut their bits off. Ha ha ha ha ha.

You somehow see the subject of the competition as an attack on someone, but have failed to mention who is suffering, give me a name, I will go round to their house and apolagise on behalf of all transgenderdome for ruining their lives by being the subject of ONE competion. You sound like the idiots who make the case that gay marriage will make them suffer. How does this make anyone suffer?!

I do not tolerate your views because they are on the same level as the old guard of comedy. This discussion happened before in the eighties about gay people, the 70's about indian people, and so n and so on.

And you are on the wrong side. So call me a name nobody has ever called me before and mock me all you want, but you look and sound like an idiot for not reading basic facts about the thing you are standing against and for being incredibly transphobic in the process.

Unless this is some kind of ironic play I don't understand. That this is an act and I am getting all hot and bothered for nothing.

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Nb with I think few exceptions on this forum we are all struggling writers. And by that I mean a joke or sketch here and there are our big achievements, the BBC hires a plethora of gay, straight writers of all races. You're not being ignored because of your sexuality or whatever. Seriously its a statistical game more than anything. So when you imply my skin colour and genitalia makes me more entitled to a seat St the tablethat's hurtful. My issue with the scheme is by all means have a trans scholarship or apprenticeship whatever. Positive discrimination is neccesary. But this scheme is a pittance to salve a conscience and that's never good.

Quote: sootyj @ December 31 2012, 1:38 AM GMT

Nb with I think few exceptions on this forum we are all struggling writers. And by that I mean a joke or sketch here and there are our big achievements, the BBC hires a plethora of gay, straight writers of all races. You're not being ignored because of your sexuality or whatever. Seriously its a statistical game more than anything. So when you imply my skin colour and genitalia makes me more entitled to a seat St the tablethat's hurtful. My issue with the scheme is by all means have a trans scholarship or apprenticeship whatever. Positive discrimination is neccesary. But this scheme is a pittance to salve a conscience and that's never good.

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I guess I was never talking about the writers...more the subject. Because...again....ANYONE CAN ENTER THIS COMPETITION.

Also perhaps you should look at goodness gracious me, which exploded so much Asian prejudice by taking it on and owning it. Comedy breaks down prejudice and barriers so much better than other art forms but it is a blunt and crude beast. That is its power

Also perhaps you should look at goodness gracious me, which exploded so much Asian prejudice by taking it on and owning it. Comedy breaks down prejudice and barriers so much better than other art forms but it is a blunt and crude beast. That is its power

If I'm 100% honest I'm entering for the slim chance of getting something read by Jon Plowman, which may seem a bit selfish but it's JON PLOWMAN!

However, I can also see the merit of holding "affirmative action" competitions because it can't do any harm and it may do some good, and if it doesn't it's very little lost really.

Also, I can't seem to find it anywhere now, but I'm sure I read that the scripts will be read without the readers seeing the writer's name or address?

If it's true, and I'm still pretty sure it is, then I approve and think it's a good way to avoid a variety of possible discriminations, positive or otherwise.

Typical chippy brummy

You guys got mike hardy jasper carrott and Lenny henry and that's your lot!

*whispers* I'm from the East Mids, traditionally we're seen looking miserable on Crimewatch, so I'm bucking a trend.

And nature watch

Quote: sootyj @ December 31 2012, 1:54 AM GMT

And nature watch

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Only the streakers ...and the ferals.

Feel slightly bad about going off topic so to put things right here's a link to the FAQs for the comp which I found useful (along with the ones on the Trans Comedy Award site which although I mostly knew, it was good to have things spelt out)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/writersroom/about/transcomedy-award-faqs

Quote: Die Hard @ December 31 2012, 1:49 AM GMT

If I'm 100% honest I'm entering for the slim chance of getting something read by Jon Plowman, which may seem a bit selfish but it's JON PLOWMAN!

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Jon Plowcis, to be correct.

(If you don't understand the joke then you haven't done enough research for this competition)

I have a feeling not everyone on this thread isn't quite who they claim they are. And the winder ups have perhaps been a little wound up,

poetic justice (perhaps on my self) nu?

Quote: Martin H @ December 31 2012, 12:14 AM GMT

Just look at this thread and it's easy to see why this competition is needed!

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Quote: Sinon @ December 31 2012, 12:33 AM GMT

I'd agree there is something quite disturbing and wrong about positive or affirmative action ( or whatever it's called nowadays ) wrong: not because it still exists but that it still NEEDS to exist.

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Wrong and wrong. You are coming at this from the stand point that there is some sort of negative discrimination towards the Transgendered in the UK, when in fact there is hardly any at all. Equating the issue to racism in the past is a non-starter and trying to attach your singular cause to those who have genuinely suffered is disengenuous.

But we're getting off topic, as this is about a writing competition and not the perceived injustices experienced by the TG community in the UK. As sootyj has pointed out, £5000 shared out between 10 winners with absolutely no intention or promise of turning the winning scripts into productions.

This is a piecemeal gesture by the BBC in a futile attempt to appear inclusive and nothing more. If the Beeb were serious about having a TG comedy show, then they'd go out and commission one, end of.

Ranting and raving at a couple of members of a comedy forum who disagree with this practice is not proof that widespread bigotry exists and does not justify a competition of this type or some of the personal insults that have been expressed by partisan newcomers.

Quote: Michelleiscorrect @ December 31 2012, 1:17 AM GMT

...but in the grand scheme of things this comp is not a sign that the white male conedy writer is in trouble.

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As the vast majority of TGs in the UK used to be white males, I don't see the point you're trying to make.

You keep making me repeat myself renegade....

You really think transgendered people don't experience any discrimination??

Are you serious?!

You think we just invent it all to make our lifes harder?!

If you were to go away and find as many examples of positive or neutral coverage of transgender people/issues in comedy/mass media in general, and I went away and found negative or ignorant coverage, my findings would be in the hundreds, yours would be about 3.

This imbalence reinforces negative stereotypes and makes people think it is ok to shout "I'm a lady" at me in the f**king street and ask me endless questions about my genitals. You know what it is like to be asked by a complete stranger if you have a vagina? Probably not, but I have and even though it makes a funny story later at the time it is bloody horrible.

That isn't percieved injustice. That is me incapable of doing all the things you take for granted because of who I am. That and statistically I am less likely to be employed, find housing or anything else even though I have legal protection now, because most people assume I am a sex worker (even though I dress like any other mid twentys woman). Is it a coincidence that almost 50% of trans characters on the bbc have been portrayed as sex workers!?

And transgendered people are born male, female, every race, every kind of person, so trying ti argue that transgendered people are part of the white patriarchal comedy scene is absurd. Trans men maybe, but nobody really knows they exist at all because people always think of trans women whenever this subject comes up.

Why do you think you know so much about being trans? That you know some iind of truth that the thousands of us just don't? Or that we are pretneding, or tht we have some kind of agenda?

That notion is literally insane. We have no power, and no voice, and even when someone wants to hear some storys about trans people that show the completely ignored sign of the coin people like you see it as sme kind of attack!

I know I am repeating myself, but good god, look at this guy, he thinks he knows everything when he is just spreading utter nonsense that is actually quite dangerous.

Quote: Michelleiscorrect @ December 31 2012, 2:40 PM GMT

You really think transgendered people don't experience any discrimination??

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Not really, no. Obviously, if some TGs look like dudes wearing dresses, then they're going to attract attention. I know plenty of attractive women who dress down when they go out because they attract attention also. Is that discrimination? Probably.

Is it on par with being petrol bombed, denied basic human rights, not allowed the vote, signs outside hotels saying 'No blacks, no Irish, no dogs', etc.? No it is not.

Your minor day to day issues are experienced by almost everyone but in different forms and in general everyone (including the TGs) are tolerated in the UK.

Your personal sob story won't really cut it with me, I've heard far worse from far more deserving people who have suffered real injustices.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ December 31 2012, 2:11 PM GMT

Wrong and wrong. You are coming at this from the stand point that there is some sort of negative discrimination towards the Transgendered in the UK, when in fact there is hardly any at all.

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This is why a "partisan newcomer" such as myself calls you names. Because this is just another example of how terminally stupid you really are.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ December 31 2012, 2:55 PM GMT

Is it on par with being petrol bombed, denied basic human rights, not allowed the vote, signs outside hotels saying 'No blacks, no Irish, no dogs', etc.? No it is not.

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Actually yes. People like me are killed almost every day for being trans. People like me in places like america and other countrys can't vote because their government won't recognise their true gender (and can still happen here, but we actually have legal protection, but that doesn't always get sorted before the polls shut) and people like me are refused service in places and refused access to the correct toilets all the time.

So yes. It is exactly like that. Again, why do you think you know more about being trans than the person who actually is bloody trans?! What is wrong with you?