Perhaps if Fast and Loose were cancelled and old episodes of Whose Line Is It Anyway? shown instead then we could have a new series of Whites?
Cash flow problems at the Beeb
And why exactly would we want that?
Apart from having more 'quality time' with Isy Suttie....
Whose Line Is It Anyway? wasn't a BBC show, it was on Channel 4.
Quote: Sea1kay @ March 4 2011, 3:27 PM GMTPerhaps if Fast and Loose were cancelled and old episodes of Whose Line Is It Anyway? shown instead then we could have a new series of Whites?
My mum would agree with you, she HATES shows like Fast and Loose and WLIIA. She hates the fact that the actors may actually have been given the phrases / scenes before recording, and are pretending it's all brand new to them.
She also hates Alan Davies too, so your suggestion doesn't really met with her high expectations either, probablly best to just leave it as is then.
I wonder if Whites is really more expensive to make than a standard panel show? I didn't see much of Whites but wasn't it a single camera prog? Can't be that much difference in cost to make, in my mind, so I'd suggest that Whites failed to meet ratings targets or please enough critics, as some other sparsely viewed recent sitcoms have managed to do, for instance, Roger & Val.
Although I'd much rather see sitcoms and comdrams getting 2nd series than panel shows, I am quite glad the BBC are taking a firm stance on killing off unsuccessful new shows these days, albeit a bit inconsistently (Episodes and others escaping). From what little of I saw of Whites, I feel it may have been a tad unlucky not to get another series, but I'd have to see more of it to be sure, as the little patches I saw were a bit uninspiring.
I have certainly seen worse sitcoms get recommissioned though. Maybe they weren't convinced that the actors in it were that committed to it. Yes Alan Davies, you overly laid back, passion lacking so and so, I mean you.
I thought location shoots were a lot more expensive than studio pieces?
Do we think Sea1Kay could be Alan Davies?
Anyway silly point. I mean if we canceled Blue Peter there would be more money for more Belle du jour wouldn't there?
Quote: Nat Wicks @ March 5 2011, 12:48 PM GMTI thought location shoots were a lot more expensive than studio pieces?
Like I said, I didn't see enough of it to know how much of an outside prog it was, but I saw about five scenes, and three were internal and two were outside in the hotel grounds (not an axpensive location), and in no scene were there that many performers (no extras to pay and not as time consuming).
I didn't think all location shoots were necessarily a lot more expensive, myself, just that in general that their potential to be dearer is far greater, but only for the tricky locations like populated and landmark ones, which require expensive planning and scheduling.
The ones I personally saw in Whites would be as cheap a studio shoot, no problem. Whites didn't strike me as being an expensive looking show to make, but I could be wrong. If the BBC published their accounts for each prog broadcast then we would know.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ March 5 2011, 12:42 PM GMTI wonder if Whites is really more expensive to make than a standard panel show? I didn't see much of Whites but wasn't it a single camera prog?
Everything is more expensive than a panel show. They're dirt cheap to produce; why do you think we have so many?
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ March 5 2011, 1:20 PM GMTLike I said, I didn't see enough of it to know how much of an outside prog it was, but I saw about five scenes, and three were internal and two were outside in the hotel grounds (not an axpensive location), and in no scene were there that many performers (no extras to pay and not as time consuming).
I didn't think all location shoots were necessarily a lot more expensive, myself, just that in general that their potential to be dearer is far greater, but only for the tricky locations like populated and landmark ones, which require expensive planning and scheduling.
Think about it for a minute. A full crew and equipment to hire, transport, feed and house. Versus a studio.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ March 5 2011, 12:42 PM GMTI wonder if Whites is really more expensive to make than a standard panel show?
Whites will have been considerably more expensive to produce than a panel show. A panel show you essentially point a camera at a desk and just record (as 24 Hour Panel People is showing now)... and you can get 6 episodes done in a week if you want, and something like Mock the Week can run for years. Whereas a single-camera sitcom requires a huge crew, multiple takes (some shots take days to do, like a film), special sets, long edits, stunts, make-up, costumes, props, not to mention higher fees for actors, script development to pay for etc etc etc.
I believe it costs the BBC about £300,000 - £500,000 per broadcast half-hour for a single-camera sitcom... a panel show is nowhere near that. I don't think the BBC disliked or were un-happy with Whites, but when it costs up to £3m to make, you can see budget does become a factor in the decision.
Personally, I'm really sad it's gone - it was on the way to becoming a great show and deserved another run.
Quote: Aaron @ March 5 2011, 2:02 PM GMTwhy do you think we have so many?
Well tbh, mainly because of the dearth of sitcom and comdrams deemed to be of quality enough to air, the great ease of churning out panel shows, the availability of so many panel show regulars at hand, and the great popularity of the form at present, against the logistical factors involved in a sitcom shoot, but also an artistic lack of daring, lack of faith in non aired creators, and weak minded fear of having creative failures flung in your face by the savage media and having reputations, individual and corporate, potentially ruined by each creative failure (sitcoms being the Crown Jewels of BBC Comedy, panel shows being seen as relative fodder, with nothing like the weight of glories past to carry on the form's shoulder).
All that and of course money 
but not money alone, definitely not. Far too simplistic an excuse or answer on its own and I don't believe there isn't a fair bit more to it, as stated.
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Yes and about 20,000 of them were posted twice
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Quote: sootyj @ December 30 2012, 4:12 PM GMTI just 40,000 posts and didn't notice.
What does this have to do with cashflow problems at the beeb?
Everything