Rolling Stones 50th anniversary Page 8

Quote: Gordon Bennett @ November 24 2012, 7:47 PM GMT

They laid the groundwork for almost everything that followed: power pop, prog (A Day In The Life), hard rock (Helter Skelter), "music hall pop" (when I'm Sixty Four)...

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There's no doubting their influence, but I think it's important to realise they were part of a wider scene, rather than sole pioneers. For example, I've heard McCartney say he wrote Helter Skelter after reading that The Who had just released the most raucous song ever written, and certainly there was stuff around that sounded much like hard rock before it (like Blue Cheer).

Quote: Nogget @ November 25 2012, 6:31 AM GMT

There's no doubting their influence, but I think it's important to realise they were part of a wider scene, rather than sole pioneers. For example, I've heard McCartney say he wrote Helter Skelter after reading that The Who had just released the most raucous song ever written, and certainly there was stuff around that sounded much like hard rock before it (like Blue Cheer).

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That's absolutely true. And McCartney had friends in the avantgarde art scene and you can hear this in the experimental sounds of Tomorrow never knows. The thing is, the Beatles heard all these different styles and influences and instead of thinking "Nah, you can't do that let's go on making teen pop" they absorbed these style and merged them with catchy tunes and made them popular. They used their own huge popularity to make "unpopular" styles accessible. Other artist realised: "Ah, you CAN do that, you can be popular with hard rock and things like that." And that's the Beatles' biggest achievement. Trying everything out and not being lazy teen idols.

Just listened to their new single doom and gloom, kinda like it. Not bad at all

The first time I heard it on YouTube I was disappointed. But now I think it's ok...not what I was expecting after their last album but ok.

Nothing earth shattering, but as they say, its only rock n roll but I like it

It put me in mind of ZZ Top.

I thought it sounded like it could have been on steel wheels. But I know what you mean with ZZTop

Enjoyed all the documentaries and archive stuff that's been on recently.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ November 26 2012, 9:43 AM GMT

Enjoyed all the documentaries and archive stuff that's been on recently.

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I find Crossfire Hurrican is everything that is wrong with modern music docs, jumps from era to era, no narration, just a jumble, interesting but a missed opportunity. I found the Beatles anthology the same, why not just tell the story with a good narration?

Quote: Pingl @ November 26 2012, 10:41 AM GMT

I find Crossfire Hurrican is everything that is wrong with modern music docs, jumps from era to era, no narration, just a jumble, interesting but a missed opportunity. I found the Beatles anthology the same, why not just tell the story with a good narration?

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I didnt watch Crossfire Hurricane, so I may be wrong in this case, but: Generally my problem with most of the new docs, even on scientific subjects, is their style and look. The kiddies (and some oldies) want their docs in videoclip style. Jumping from clip to clip, look is more important than content. "Cool" presentation but no narrative...because narration could be too boring for the kiddies, narration takes a lot more focus and time, time in which you could smarten up your facebook account. They don't want to concentrate for 90 minutes, they want to surf and chat at the same time.

Yet my 10 year-old likes Dara O Brien's Science Club, which is quite an intelligent show, with extended sequences of expert opinion, presumably aimed at adults. It's as if they took all that's best about CBBC and did it for grown-ups.

Quote: Gordon Bennett @ November 26 2012, 10:50 AM GMT

I didnt watch Crossfire Hurricane, so I may be wrong in this case, but: Generally my problem with most of the new docs, even on scientific subjects, is their style and look. The kiddies (and some oldies) want their docs in videoclip style. Jumping from clip to clip, look is more important than content. "Cool" presentation but no narrative...because narration could be too boring for the kiddies, narration takes a lot more focus and time, time in which you could smarten up your facebook account. They don't want to concentrate for 90 minutes, they want to surf and chat at the same time.

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That is the problem it aimed at kids, a horrible hangover from the MTV generation of film making. I want a good narrative, with some new footage and if possible some new revelations. Not a hurdy gurdy of old clips and interviews that just leaves you with motion sickness.

Quote: Nogget @ November 26 2012, 10:55 AM GMT

Yet my 10 year-old likes Dara O Brien's Science Club...

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With "kiddies" I meant teens and twens...Im sure there's still hope for the really young ones.

Quote: Pingl @ November 26 2012, 10:58 AM GMT

That is the problem it aimed at kids, a horrible hangover from the MTV generation of film making. I want a good narrative, with some new footage and if possible some new revelations. Not a hurdy gurdy of old clips and interviews that just leaves you with motion sickness.

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That's because you don't want to do three things at the same time. I mean soap operas were modeled for housewifes, you can do the hoovering, window cleaning and still get the "plot" of Corry. And the teens want to chat with their friend, tweet and "I don't know what" at the same time. They don't want to invest their concentration for more than five minutes.

For us old farts these video clip styled docs are rather confusing.

Quote: Gordon Bennett @ November 26 2012, 11:05 AM GMT

With "kiddies" I meant teens and twens...Im sure there's still hope for the really young ones.

That's because you don't want to do three things at the same time. I mean soap operas were modeled for housewifes, you can do the hoovering, window cleaning and still get the "plot" of Corry. And the teens want to chat with their friend, tweet and "I don't know what" at the same time. They don't want to invest their concentration for more than five minutes.

For us old farts these video clip styled docs are rather confusing.

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Yup, we live in the age of fidget. Sit up straight and concentrate!