The first four or five Simply Red albums had at least 2 or 3 good songs on it.
I absolutely love "Something Got Me Started". I was a teenager when it was brandnew. Maybe I'm a bit biased.
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Quote: Gordon Bennett @ November 21 2012, 12:45 PM GMTThe first four or five Simply Red albums had at least 2 or 3 good songs on it.
I absolutely love "Something Got Me Started". I was a teenager when it was brandnew. Maybe I'm a bit biased.
To archly aiming for a very particular market for my tastes. There albums seemed to appeal to people who liked back ground music, each to their own, but to my mind I wasn't keen on Simply Ginger. But then the people I knew who liked them were yuppy idiots at the time.
Hucknall tried to transform Marvin Gaye and Motown onto 80s mainstream gloss. Like Phil Collins. We can argue who did it better. At the end of the day it's all lifeless pop fluff...but I prefer it to hip hop, if you ask me.
Quote: Gordon Bennett @ November 21 2012, 12:53 PM GMTHucknall tried to transform Marvin Gaye and Motown onto 80s mainstream gloss. Like Phil Collins. We can argue who did it better. At the end of the day it's all lifeless pop fluff...but I prefer it to hip hop, if you ask me.
Being an old classic rock and folk man I can't say I know anything about Hip Hop at all, Phil collin's first album was a gold plated classic, after that nada. Hucknall was to wishy washy for me, I must admit I get increasingly impatient with new music and think to myself I'd rather be listening to the faces or fairport.
Quote: Pingl @ November 21 2012, 12:57 PM GMTBeing an old classic rock and folk man I can't say I know anything about Hip Hop at all, Phil collin's first album was a gold plated classic, after that nada. Hucknall was to wishy washy for me, I must admit I get increasingly impatient with new music and think to myself I'd rather be listening to the faces or fairport.
I don't know how old you are, but feel as if I was born in a different time when things were easier in music. All this postmodern-anything-goes-let's-sample-an-old-song-add-an-R'N'B-beat-to-it-and-pretend-it's-our-own scares me maybe. But most of all I find it boooooooooooooooooring. Like you I rather take my Faces, Dylan, Allman Brothers or James Brown CD's and let it raaaaawwwwwwk.
Quote: Gordon Bennett @ November 21 2012, 1:43 PM GMTI don't know how old you are, but feel as if I was born in a different time when things were easier in music. All this postmodern-anything-goes-let's-sample-an-old-song-add-an-R'N'B-beat-to-it-and-pretend-it's-our-own scares me maybe. But most of all I find it boooooooooooooooooring. Like you I rather take my Faces, Dylan, Allman Brothers or James Brown CD's and let it raaaaawwwwwwk.
To old to be bothered with most modern stuff, although I like some new folk stuff like bellowhead, Kate Rusby etc. But my heart is with Dylan, the Faces, Nick Lowe etc. It's all to derivative for me, why listen to a copiest when you can hear the original, but I guess that's just a symptom of age.
Quote: Gordon Bennett @ November 21 2012, 1:43 PM GMTI don't know how old you are, but feel as if I was born in a different time when things were easier in music. All this postmodern-anything-goes-let's-sample-an-old-song-add-an-R'N'B-beat-to-it-and-pretend-it's-our-own scares me maybe. But most of all I find it boooooooooooooooooring. Like you I rather take my Faces, Dylan, Allman Brothers or James Brown CD's and let it raaaaawwwwwwk.
To be fair, and I'm not defending modern re sampling, not in the name of Kanye West anyway *spits*. But and especially Motown music doesn't really belong to anyone does it? Rock, Country and Soul music interchange and mishmash. As someone who wasn't around went a lot of these songs were originally produced, it's bloody hard to tell WHO a song is by. I've heard country singers singing soul music and soul singers singing country music and rock stealing from both of them.
I've grown up with all this music, by it's still hard to define who sang a certain hit originally because they get covered and crossed over so much.
So all this pretending it's their own, who exactly is guilty of this?
Quote: Lee @ November 21 2012, 2:04 PM GMTTo be fair, and I'm not defending modern re sampling, not in the name of Kanye West anyway *spits*. But and especially Motown music doesn't really belong to anyone does it? Rock, Country and Soul music interchange and mishmash. As someone who wasn't around went a lot of these songs were originally produced, it's bloody hard to tell WHO a song is by. I've heard country singers singing soul music and soul singers singing country music and rock stealing from both of them.
I've grown up with all this music, by it's still hard to define who sang a certain hit originally because they get covered and crossed over so much.
So all this pretending it's their own, who exactly is guilty of this?
I don't have a problem with sampling, its a good way to introduce classic stuff to younger people, although it does irk me when a classic is mutilated. But at my age I'd rather just listen to the originals. My kids play a lot of stuff to me as if they invented it, but you know as you get older you get a little proprietorial about the music you loved in your youth.
Quote: Lee @ November 21 2012, 2:04 PM GMTTo be fair, and I'm not defending modern re sampling, not in the name of Kanye West anyway *spits*. But and especially Motown music doesn't really belong to anyone does it? Rock, Country and Soul music interchange and mishmash. As someone who wasn't around went a lot of these songs were originally produced, it's bloody hard to tell WHO a song is by. I've heard country singers singing soul music and soul singers singing country music and rock stealing from both of them.
I've grown up with all this music, by it's still hard to define who sang a certain hit originally because they get covered and crossed over so much.
So all this pretending it's their own, who exactly is guilty of this?
Led Zeppelin is a special case. They took some blues songs (example: Gallis Pole>Gallows Pole) and copied them almost entirely but credited to themselves. The Stones never did such thing...they covered the songs properly. But in these days of rock there wasn't such a thing as copyrights for music.
Both the Stones and Zep started with the blues, as many bands did with the jazz and blues boom of the early sixties, they soon subverted it though and created something of their own, in Zep's case a new form of music.
Yeah, but Zep stole the melodies and structures and changed a few words in the lyrics, and then credited the songs to themselves. The Stones made proper covers...so did John Mayall,Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac.
Quote: Gordon Bennett @ November 21 2012, 2:26 PM GMTYeah, but Zep stole the melodies and structures and changed a few words in the lyrics, and then credited the songs to themselves. The Stones made proper covers...so did John Mayall,Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac.
I think that's a bit unfair on Zep, although I'm not a massive fan, they were the first real heavy band, and like every band lifted a bit, but they were the leaders of a new wave.
Quote: Pingl @ November 21 2012, 3:45 PM GMTI think that's a bit unfair on Zep, although I'm not a massive fan, they were the first real heavy band, and like every band lifted a bit, but they were the leaders of a new wave.
Not unfair at all, they settled out of court to Willie Dixon over Whole Lotta Love, and have had several other lawsuits to face. However, they are still undoubtedly a truly original outfit, despite all this. Perhaps it was their management's idea to not credit anyone?
Quote: Nogget @ November 21 2012, 4:41 PM GMTPerhaps it was their management's idea to not credit anyone?
Peter Grant probably would have beaten or eaten anyone who dared argue.
Quote: Nogget @ November 21 2012, 4:41 PM GMTNot unfair at all, they settled out of court to Willie Dixon over Whole Lotta Love, and have had several other lawsuits to face. However, they are still undoubtedly a truly original outfit, despite all this. Perhaps it was their management's idea to not credit anyone?
Half the bands in the world have been done for plagiarism its a fact of the business, George Harrison, the beach boys, Coldplay etc
Quote: shaggy292 @ November 21 2012, 4:46 PM GMTPeter Grant probably would have beaten or eaten anyone who dared argue.
Those were the days! Don Arden would have had some legs broken.