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A more pertinent comparison would be the wartime request for households to donate their aluminium to help build Spitfires. Everyone felt good about sacrificing their pots and pans, but the truth is, domestic aluminium was not of a high enough quality to be any use at all.[/quote]

Yes, but don't you know it didn't go to waste? We just took it up anyway and chucked it out of the planes on the Germans.
I once met a German guy in Torremolinos who told me his uncle in Dresden had been killed by a Belling pressure cooker twatting him on the head during an air raid.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 8 2012, 2:21 PM BST

Are you saying that recycling centres are easily able to cope with the amounts of rubbish being sent to them?

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Er yes, in London last year, 97% of material sent for recycling was actually recycled. The remaining 3% is material that was rejected as it was wrongly placed in the recycling in the first place, either because it could't be recycled or because it was in very bad condition.

Quote: Nogget @ October 8 2012, 5:53 PM BST

I don't know if that is true. But I don't know if it's false either, because I've never seen figures which take into account the massive effort required to recycle, and compare it to the resultant benefit (if any). How much energy is expended sending a lorry out, manned by 4 people, to trawl around the streets? How much water do I have to waste cleaning a tin for them? What is the carbon footprint of a massive recycling centre?

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Using recycled materials to make new products consumes considerably less energy than using raw materials - even when comparing all associated costs, such as transport.
Plus there are extra energy savings because massively more energy is required to extract, refine, transport and process raw materials ready for industry compared with providing industry-ready materials.

Quote: Tursiops @ October 8 2012, 6:59 PM BST

Er yes, in London last year, 97% of material sent for recycling was actually recycled.

Using recycled materials to make new products consumes considerably less energy than using raw materials - even when comparing all associated costs, such as transport.

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Both of these points are highly debatable and the pro-recycling groups are more then willing to supply disinformation.

For instance, how much recyclable material was actually sent to recycling centres to be processed? Why have some recycling centres in the US stopped accepting certain types of material due to cost?

But as mentioned before, the UK could sink into the sea tomorrow and never consume anything again and it still wouldn't make a jot of difference to the consumption of raw materials and pollution created by emerging economies such as India, China, Brazil and Africa.

Recycling in this country is a waste of time and money.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 8 2012, 7:31 PM BST

Recycling in this country is a waste of time and money.

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True, lets just dump it all in the sea, or throw it at France.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 8 2012, 7:31 PM BST

But as mentioned before, the UK could sink into the sea tomorrow and never consume anything again and it still wouldn't make a jot of difference to the consumption of raw materials and pollution created by emerging economies such as India, China, Brazil and Africa.

Recycling in this country is a waste of time and money.

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I would have thought the consumption of raw materials by emerging economies and the impact that is going to have on prices would be an argument for scaling up recycling.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 8 2012, 7:31 PM BST

For instance, how much recyclable material was actually sent to recycling centres to be processed?

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In London at least, all of that which is put out for recycling and collected.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 8 2012, 7:31 PM BST

the pro-recycling groups are more then willing to supply disinformation.

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Lord knows it would be awful if anyone twisted the facts to suit their prejudices.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ October 8 2012, 7:36 PM BST

True, lets just dump it all in the sea, or throw it at France.

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It would be as much use in the long run. Hence my liking recycling to a religion, even though logic and common sense dictates that recycling in the UK isn't effective, people want to chuck rational thinking out of the window for a 'belief' that they're actually making a difference.

I'd rather the money was spent on something that could actually aid this country, but that is a political thought too far in the current climate. (I'll have to wait for climate change - yes, I said it)

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 8 2012, 7:59 PM BST

It would be as much use in the long run. Hence my liking recycling to a religion, even though logic and common sense dictates that recycling in the UK isn't effective, people want to chuck rational thinking out of the window for a 'belief' that they're actually making a difference.

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Logic, common sense and rational thinking being when you use them synonyms for prejudice, determined ignorance and received polemic?

Quote: Ignatius Rake @ October 6 2012, 10:07 AM BST

It pissed all over them! This is the woman who once ate 65 hard boiled eggs in 6 mins 40 and had to stop because they ran out of eggs.

Read more about her here: http://www.therakeandherald.tv/society/societystory.php?id=153

She is fan-flipping-tastic.

The thing is she's up against Joey 'Jaws' Chestnut on Sunday in DC and the man is phenomenal. He has only lost two chowdowns in the past 12 months. Last Saturday, for instance, he set a new tamale eating world record - 102 in 12 minutes, smashing the previous record of 71 set by world belching champion Tim 'Eater X' Janus in 2007 (see http://www.therakeandherald.tv/society/societystory.php?id=179).

And whats more, chili is an extreme capacity discipline, which naturally favours Jaws. At last year's Chili Bowl, he did 2 gallons (13.3 UK pints; 7.6 litres) in six mins, while the Black Widow came fourth with 1.25 gallons (behind Eater X and Bob 'Notorious B.O.B.' Shoudt, who tied for second with 1.5 gallons each).

But personally, I reckon the Black Widow will be looking for revenge after Jaws stole her five-times-reigning Buffalo Wings crown at the start of September (see http://www.therakeandherald.tv/society/societystory.php?id=166). Plus, she'll be eating on home territory.

But the fact is, the Black Widow is the gurgitator's gurgitator. She's my personal favourite alimentary athlete; she's a really nice and friendly woman; she's tiny compared to so many of the men she beats (she's 5' 5"; 45.4 kg); she's got style and panache; and she deserves a big win over Jaws.

That's why I say the world would be a better place if Sonya 'the Black Widow' Thomas won the forthcoming Ben's Chili Bowl's World Chili Eating Championship.

I rest my case.

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Darn garn, she didn't win.

Ah well, Eater X did so it makes a change from Jaws, who until Sunday hadn't been defeated since May.

http://www.therakeandherald.tv/society/societystory.php?id=185

Quote: Tursiops @ October 8 2012, 8:24 PM BST

Logic, common sense and rational thinking being when you use them synonyms for prejudice, determined ignorance and received polemic?

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Are you saying that my argument falls down because you perceive my words as being willfully antagonistic? Will you not even look at the points I've made without bringing your own personal prejudice into the debate? Must people always revert to dull and predictable liberal political agendas that have been handed to them without question?

No wonder I receive so much abuse on this Forum.

... bananas didn't exist.

Maybe we should send all our waste to Sonya 'the Black Widow' Thomas.

She could eat it and we could recycle her shit into speeches for the Tory party conference !

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Quote: Renegade Carpark @ October 8 2012, 9:42 PM BST

Must people always revert to dull and predictable liberal political agendas that have been handed to them without question?

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You're the only one who can come to an independent, and correct, conclusion free of outside forces or prejudices, you know that RC!

...everytime you got cut up on the road you could legally press the 'deploy rockets' button. (All waste car material would be recycled if that helps...)