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A New Apartheid?

With at least 50% of the new babies being born in London coming from foreign mothers, Muslim extremists burning down our embassies, a growing criminal underclass without respect for rule of law, housing estates hiding gun and grenade killers and people setting up Facebook pages to celebrate said police killers, is it time for a new apartheid?

Who would you separate from society and why? Is it time for Escape From New York / District 13 style walled off communities? Or should we dismiss the tiny minority of troublemakers and embrace each other in a multi-cultural hug of unity? Or maybe we already have an apartheid in place and that's what is causing all the tension?

Spill your brainwords please.

I predict tempers will be lost. Who's first for a flounce? Laughing out loud

Quote: keewik @ September 20 2012, 4:32 PM BST

I predict tempers will be lost. Who's first for a flounce? Laughing out loud

Says the woman who wants Scottish independence. ;)

Contrarians trying to stir up shit just because they are bored.

Voltaire's interpretation of tolerance.

What is tolerance? it is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly that is the first law of nature.

It is clear that the individual who persecutes a man, his brother, because he is not of the same opinion, is a monster. That admits of no difficulty.

But the government! but the magistrates! but the princes! how do they treat those who have another worship than theirs?
If they are powerful strangers, it is certain that a prince will make an alliance with them. Franois I., very Christian, will unite with Mussulmans against Charles V., very Catholic. Francois I. will give money to the Lutherans of Germany to support them in their revolt against the emperor; but, in accordance with custom, he will start by having Lutherans burned at home.

For political reasons he pays them in Saxony; for political reasons he burns them in Paris. But what will happen? Persecutions make proselytes? Soon France will be full of new Protestants. At first they will let themselves be hanged, later they in their turn will hang. There will be civil wars, then will come the St. Bartholomew; and this corner of the world will be worse than all that the ancients and moderns have ever told of hell.

Madmen, who have never been able to give worship to the God who made you! Miscreants, whom the example of the Noachides, the learned Chinese, the Parsees and all the sages, has never been able to lead! Monsters, who need superstitions as crows' gizzards need carrion! you have been told it already, and there is nothing else to tell you-if you have two religions in your countries, they will cut each other's throat ; if you have thirty religions, they will dwell in peace. Look at the great Turk, he governs Guebres, Banians, Creek Christians, Nestorians, Romans. The first who tried to stir up tumult would be impaled; and everyone is tranquil.

Of all religions, the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men.

The Christian Church was divided in its cradle, and was divided even in the persecutions which under the first emperors it sometimes endured. Often the martyr was regarded as an apostate by his brethren, and the Carpocratian Christian expired beneath the sword of the Roman executioners, excommunicated by the Ebionite Christian, the which Ebionite was anathema to the Sabellian.

This horrible discord, which has lasted for so many centuries, is a very striking lesson that we should pardon each other's errors; discord is the great ill of mankind; and tolerance is the only remedy for it.

There is nobody who is not in agreement with this truth, whether he meditates soberly in his study, or peaceably examines the truth with his friends. Why then do the same men who admit in private indulgence, kindness, justice, rise in public with so much fury against these virtues? Why? it is that their own interest is their god, and that they sacrifice everything to this monster that they worship.

I possess a dignity and a power founded on ignorance and credulity; I walk on the heads of the men who lie prostrate at my feet; if they should rise and look me in the face, I am lost; I must bind them to the ground, therefore, with iron chains.

Thus have reasoned the men whom centuries of bigotry have made powerful. They have other powerful men beneath them, and these have still others, who all enrich themselves with the spoils of the poor, grow fat on their blood, and laugh at their stupidity. They all detest tolerance, as partisans grown rich at the public expense fear to render their accounts, and as tyrants dread the word liberty. And then, to crown everything, they hire fanatics to cry at the top of their voices : " Respect my master's absurdities, tremble, pay, and keep your mouths shut."

It is thus that a great part of the world long was treated; but today when so many sects make a balance of power, what course to take with them? Every sect, as one knows, is a ground of error; there are no sects of geometers, algebraists, arithmeticians, because all the propositions of geometry, algebra and arithmetic are true. In every other science one may be deceived. What Thomist or Scotist theologian would dare say seriously that he is sure of his case?

If it were permitted to reason consistently in religious matters, it is clear that we all ought to become Jews, because Jesus Christ our Saviour was born a Jew, lived a Jew, died a Jew, and that he said expressly that he was accomplishing, that he was fulfilling the Jewish religion. But it is clearer still that we ought to be tolerant of one another, because we are all weak, inconsistent, liable to fickleness and error. Shall a reed laid low in the mud by the wind say to a fellow reed fallen in the opposite direction : " Crawl as I crawl, wretch, or I shall petiion that you be torn up by the roots and burned? "

I couldn't tolerate reading all that !

You won't be alone on that score lad so don't worry about it.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 20 2012, 4:28 PM BST

With at least 50% of the new babies being born in London coming from foreign mothers, Muslim extremists burning down our embassies, a growing criminal underclass without respect for rule of law, housing estates hiding gun and grenade killers and people setting up Facebook pages to celebrate said police killers, is it time for a new apartheid?

Who would you separate from society and why? Is it time for Escape From New York / District 13 style walled off communities? Or should we dismiss the tiny minority of troublemakers and embrace each other in a multi-cultural hug of unity? Or maybe we already have an apartheid in place and that's what is causing all the tension?

Spill your brainwords please.

I don't think it's that much of a problem with that 50% being in London as it's a city that has always been in a state of flux in terms of migration and adaptation. Many of these mothers/parents will be in London because of work or family so it's not quite a situation where da foreignz are attaching themselves to lorrys coming into Britain ready to give birth despite the picture some quarters may like to paint. And the kids are Londoners if they've been born here so fair do's to them.

Muslim extremists/perceived levels of criminality are not the same topic/s and while they are all interesting and important matters it is disingenuous to present all these issues as a whole.

Who would you separate from society and why? Is it time for Escape From New York

Spill your brainwords please.[/quote]

Everyone but me. Bastards

From paragraph 3 on Paddy could have written "hdslhvhdhdklghdskhlkdshkshgkdh" and no one would notice it. :D

Quote: Tursiops @ September 20 2012, 5:06 PM BST

Contrarians trying to stir up shit just because they are bored.

:O

*adds Tursiops to the list of those not allowed on my Flying Island Fortress*

Quote: AJGO @ September 20 2012, 5:42 PM BST

it's a city that has always been in a state of flux in terms of migration and adaptation.

That is true, but it was before the days of Easyjet and the EU and the numbers were manageable. Because of the number of foreigns and there breeding ways, there are 100,000 extra school places that need to be found and paid for this year alone.

I wouldn't mind so much if we had a Monaco approach and every new resident had to have a million squid in the bank. But that is an argument for another time.

Now to keep it fun and frothy, here are my apartheid suggestions -

Separate sound proofed parts of planes, cinemas, public transport, pubs, etc. for people with babies.

Fast and Slow lanes for public pavements

Special pens for people who can't keep still making a mobile phone call and insist on pacing

Teenagers only Internet - thereby banning their comments and opinions from most of the Web.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 20 2012, 7:31 PM BST

That is true, but it was before the days of Easyjet and the EU and the numbers were manageable. Because of the number of foreigns and their breeding ways, there are 100,000 extra school places that need to be found and paid for this year alone.

But at what point do foreigns stop being foreigns? If these kids are born here and entitled to go to school here then they are represented by the government of this country and are as entitled to education as everyone else. If the system can't handle it then that's a case for policy, not for saying 'oi you with your family who may have different norms, doing something that isn't breaking the law, in a country you're entitled to be in, bloody well stop having a parent from elsewhere'.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 20 2012, 7:31 PM BST

Separate sound proofed parts of planes, cinemas, public transport, pubs, etc. for people with babies.

Fast and Slow lanes for public pavements

Special pens for people who can't keep still making a mobile phone call and insist on pacing

Teenagers only Internet - thereby banning their comments and opinions from most of the Web.

Happy with all these suggestions but don't see how they apply exclusively or even particularly to children of mixed heritage, or criminals. Muslim extremists do have a bad reputation for making loud noises on planes though, I'll give you that

Quote: AJGO @ September 20 2012, 7:53 PM BST

But at what point do foreigns stop being foreigns?

Hence the famous quote 'If a dog's born in a stable, it doesn't make it a horse.'

(and before I get censured for that, Google it. There are many sources and not all are BNP etc !)

You can take a horse to water but a pencil has to be lead!

Quote: AJGO @ September 20 2012, 7:53 PM BST

If the system can't handle it then that's a case for policy

So, we need a policy to tell women from countries with high mortality rates to stop having so many children?

Hmm, perhaps we could introduce a Chinese style financial penalty for having more then three kids or maybe even just a financial assessment of their situation. If they can afford to raise x number of children out of their own pockets, then we could issue them a license for that number and no more.

Or in the case of Newham, we can say 'whatever' and spend loads of money building more hatch chambers and let them outbreed everyone in the area.

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