Would you expand then please Lazzard as I am a bit thick.
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Quote: Teddy Paddalack @ September 18 2012, 12:21 PM BSTWould you expand then please Lazzard as I am a bit thick.
Right.
The video that was posted by the OP is clearly motivated by more than a desire to make people laugh.
It's there to make a point.
It has an agenda.
And like most things with an agenda, the agenda tends to subsume the comedy.
The reaction to criticism was laced with political statements and accusations of not 'understanding' the way it is - implying people weren't getting it because of political naivety.
Claiming it to be art didn't help.
And that's what winds people up.
For what it's worth, I think there is merit in re-dubbing that film - just not in the way the OP chose to do it.
But it's a free world.
I can see that but I don't feel it. I think it was an attempt at humour.
I think it is now obvious that the poster is left of centre in his political views but that only became evident is his replying to some pretty nasty baiting.
I don't care whether he hangs to the left, right or centre.
His response to people not liking his work was to say we didn't get it and it was art.
Which is a tad wanky.
We're all touchy at one point or another and the poster did seem to get ganged up on.
Perhaps its best if we let this one go and see what the poster can produce next as he is now more than aware of what is required.
Clearly my political views are left of centre.
But then I'd argue all art has a political agenda even if that is an anti agenda.
All Comedy is a form of Art in its broadest sense. Art is an Idea.
So it is impossible to take Comedy from it's environment. It has a Political context like it or not.
Every idea you express is 'ART'
But Teddy is of course correct, the primary aim of the Mash-Up was to have some fun, it's that simple really.
I don't think I ever argued that Lazzard didnt get it because he didnt understand the politics, I didnt. My comments were specifically aimed at Sootj who clearly did not understand the political backdrop. Which was not poking fun at Islam but at right wing Christian fundamentalism.
And as Sootj is clearly right of centre he was never going to enjoy most of the gags.
I posted on Critique because it clearly isnt a finished or completed work.. Its a Jam..done in Edit rather than on paper because that's what I do.
I won't re-edit the work as its taking up space on my hard drives (which I will soon Crash), but it might be that I will take ideas and thoughts through to the next MASH-UP. So I'm still 'complete' with posting in Critique. It now sits on utube and has a life of its own (fly little bird byee)
Admittedly it is rather long for a 'Viral' I usually aim between 1-2 minutes. But that was the Material I had to work with and we had some fun Mashing the ideas around..
And Hey Sootj has now inspired me for the next mash up..
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PS I don't do what is required why would anyone? I do stuff that makes us laugh. It's clearly been a useful exercise as it has made people 'think' and that was the point. Hopefully it will continue to do so until next time.
Crikey wouldn't be awful if an unfinished jam went viral!
You'd never be able to get it back to perfect it.
Quote: sootyj @ September 18 2012, 1:09 PM BSTCrikey wouldn't be awful if an unfinished jam went viral!
You'd never be able to get it back to perfect it.
Perfection tends to be a right wing illness. APS
Well as a socialist I am deeply offended by you describing my political views as imperfect compared to yours.
Quote: Punk Anarcho @ September 18 2012, 1:11 PM BSTPerfection tends to be a right wing illness.
What does that even mean?
Quote: Punk Anarcho @ September 18 2012, 12:20 PM BSTHi Dave
Just on a more serious note. To some extend the 'Exercise' is to observe how a Viral will build. Hence some experimenting with the medium.
Whats interesting about internet viewing is that it is very different from mainstream broadcast. Its often very difficult to know how why or when a viral will or even if it will expand.
In my experience if a Viral is hitting around 100 hits in the first 24hrs its doing very well. It can often take weeks for it to gain some momentum.
One factor we are noticing is the thumb nail in caption. You only get three thumb nail options on utube, and you need to get that right.
But the life of a good Viral often takes some time to build. A modern art unto itself
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Obviously it varies from case to case but from what I've observed you can usually tell in the first 24 hours if something is going to score big. That's all the time it takes for your main hubs to pick up on the trend (for a sketch I'm talking local/national news websites if you're lucky but more likely comedy sites such as The Poke etc). After that things tend to cool down very quickly. Of course there are exceptions to the rule but I wouldn't expect your numbers to go triple figures if you haven't done so by tomorrow.
Of course the golden rule in YouTube as in politics.
Nothing ever beats a monkey masturbating.
(well except for an enraged zoo keeper with a stick).
Quote: David Bussell @ September 18 2012, 1:16 PM BSTObviously it varies from case to case but from what I've observed you can usually tell in the first 24 hours if something it going to score big. That's all the time it takes for your main hubs to pick up on the trend (for a sketch I'm talking local/national news websites if you're lucky but more likely comedy sites such as The Poke etc). After that things tend to cool down very quickly. Of course there are exceptions to the rule but I wouldn't expect your numbers to go triple figures if you haven't done so by tomorrow.
Yes . Its impossible to tell. So many factors. But I don't think you can see this as a single feed. Its about building and creating traffic. It can take two years to get a decent internet following going. Alchemy rather than Science.
A kid with a squeaky voice is currently getting 57 million hits. Who could have predicted that?
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Quote: Lazzard @ September 18 2012, 1:16 PM BSTWhat does that even mean?
It means I have a natural suspicion of Perfectionists. Its a very difficult position to strive for, one might argue impossible.
The day one feels you can't improve on what you've done is probably the day to give up
Trust that clarify's
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Quote: Punk Anarcho @ September 18 2012, 1:11 PM BSTPerfection tends to be a right wing illness. APS
Yeah anarchy! Yeah Banksy! Yeah butter adverts! I'm enjoying this thread for the same reasons I enjoy Nathan Barley.
Quote: Vince Ives @ September 18 2012, 1:30 PM BSTYeah anarchy! Yeah Banksy! Yeah butter adverts! I'm enjoying this thread for the same reasons I enjoy Nathan Barley.
I think your confusing Anarchy with Metaphysical Nihilism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhAr_UeroCk
Hale the rise of the idiots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVfLgPXtRPk
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