Originality is not seen in single words or even in sentences. Originality is the sum total of a man's thinking or his writing.
Isaac Bashevis Singer
People in Glass houses Page 2
"Whenever I climb, I am followed by a dog called Ego." Nietzsche.
The idea of a terrorist using glass cutting shoes is funny, I think it's one of those, like a lot of sketches, that would benefit from filming to bring out the humour.
I for one have been enjoying reading your sketches and have a backlog to go through when I get the time!
It does seem like nobody is reading anything in critique a lot of the time, but by all accounts people are reading, just not commenting. I do that too, be it a lack of time, not got anything to say either way, or whatever.
My two pennyworth is that as there is no real incentive to take part on critique, (unlike the Skit Comp where there is that sense of competition and getting a vote) then it doesn't really hold that much appeal to post into what sometimes is quite literally thin air.
But....some of us just like to get it out there whether there is anything to be gained or not, and any feedback is welcome and sometimes even useful, I know I'll continue to put stuff up, though it'll come and go in phases, it would be a shame if critique dried up.
Hey everyone, let's stir up some apathy..(borrowed quote)
>_<
There needs to be a better conenction here between writers who want to write, makers who want to make and performers who want to perform.
People in the latter two categories - especially those without material of their own - should be approaching the good skits here to offer to make them. Similarly, the bottom-rung writers here should be trawling for talented film-makers who are also trying to enter the industry.
Where this place should be a meat market where people hook-up and go off on projects together, instead NL/SS says "I like this *smily face*", TT/Sooty says "its shit", and then the scene slides down the board, never to be seen again.
I have realised that people in the industry don't really want to work with those who are not. Therefore it's up to the makers/writers/performers here to give eachother a hand up the ladder in mutually-beneficial projects. Once you have some hard material made to show people, it's worth any number of text scripts, CVs and flimsy references.
I've seen some funny stuff in critique sometimes (around 10-20% is producable, I'd guess), I've seen several well-made videos that are not funny (e.g. "Its not rocket surgery") and several good performers appearing in garbage.
The elements are all there, but unless people are secretly arranging projects via PM (not impossible), there is a general lack of interest in combining these elments to make something positive happen.
Until people start seeing 'texts' in critique becomming 'videos' in showcase, the apathy will reign, as nobody can see any of these things trying to go anywhere; whether they are good or not. Why spend the time to critique something that will never be made?
Quote: SimonWing @ September 7 2012, 12:35 AM BST.. TT/Sooty says "its shit", and then the scene slides down the board, never to be seen again.
Am I "TT".. because, if so, I don't say that things are "shit". If I don't find something funny, I say that I don't like it, always stressing that it's just my opinion. I also try to encourage people to keep having a go, despite me not liking particular stuff.
This is Critique, an audition, if you like. 99.9% of stuff is going to miss the mark, imo. That's life.
Quote: Stylee TingTing @ September 7 2012, 1:25 AM BST. I also try to encourage people to keep having a go, despite me not liking particular stuff.
You did indeed Mister Ting Ting.
This is Critique, an audition, if you like. 99.9% of stuff is going to miss the mark, imo. That's life.
That's a fair and valid point about the audition dude.
Quote: SimonWing @ September 7 2012, 12:35 AM BSTThere needs to be a better conenction here between writers who want to write, makers who want to make and performers who want to perform.
Trouble is, everyone wants to do everything because a) they think they can (they patently can't) and b) they all want to be Gervais or Coogan (which they're not).
It takes a degree of maturity to work out that the majority of people gainfully employed in the business are people who do one of these things well.
'Tis the folly of youth.
And back to critting TP's work - like a lot of your stuff this is pretty well un-shootable, yet highly visual, so not much good for radio.
However - if (in the spirit of the aforementioned collaboration) you got together with a decent animator you could have something going on.
Lazzard your old avatar was ok. but I prefer this one as you look like Bill Bryson and I find him both witty and informative.
Lazzard your old avatar was ok. but I prefer this one as you look like Bill Bryson and I find him both witty and informative.
Quote: Teddy Paddalack @ September 7 2012, 10:15 AM BSTLazzard your old avatar was ok. but I prefer this one as you look like Bill Bryson and I find him both witty and informative.
And if I could be a tenth as funny as him - I'd be thrilled!
Just settle for looking like him then.
Quote: Lazzard @ September 7 2012, 10:11 AM BSTAnd back to critting TP's work - like a lot of your stuff this is pretty well un-shootable, yet highly visual, so not much good for radio.
However - if (in the spirit of the aforementioned collaboration) you got together with a decent animator you could have something going on.
Hi Lazzard
I tend to write in film and Video because that's my background (Although factual) but I've recently been working in Sound and Radio and found it quite liberating once you get going. Once you've painted the picture its surprising what can be done with sound effects. I've had to reword stuff and introduce a Vioce of God, as I work drama format.
But Radio actually allows you to attempted far more difficult visual themes that would be almost im possible on TV. Try listening to Radio4 Mitchell and Webb.. They have a scene with a horse sat at the dinner table. This would be almost impossible or Pantomine on TV , on radio it works great..
So what our Shard terrorist requires is a long deep 'fingers down the black board' cutting sound effect to open....
It plays out slightly different but I'm coming to the beleif that if a gags good it should work aswell on Radio as TV just different emphasis
Yours AP Scene
I agree .
In fact it takes even greater skill to write for radio if one is to avoid clunky "Oh, look, there's a man abseiling down the side of the shard" type on-the-nose dialogue.
It's why I stick to screenplays!
Quote: Lazzard @ September 11 2012, 12:21 PM BSTI agree .
In fact it takes even greater skill to write for radio if one is to avoid clunky "Oh, look, there's a man abseiling down the side of the shard" type on-the-nose dialogue.
It's why I stick to screenplays!
Ah wise move.. Its just cheaper to fund radio. Ironically I still work in FCP and mix on Soundtrack pro, just annoyingly slow render rates with big sound tracks..
But I guess if you had a Radio Sketch show that had a series of SHARD gags you could have great fun with various sounds fluids scrapes etc going down glass...Great fun with a foli artist
Just a thought
APS
Teddy, I've read some stuff of yours that I've liked recently and haven't commented because someone else has said what I would've. This particular sketch feels like it needs to know what it's point is. The characterisation and setting were good and maybe could be developed into a series of patronising tourist guide ignoring terrible atrocities in the background that the patronised tourists are attempting to warn about?
I know you apologised already, but I have some suggestions as to why members both new and old may not feel comfortable or motivated posting in critique a lot of the time...
Quote: Teddy Paddalack @ September 6 2012, 7:46 AM BSTAs such I can't in all honesty work this site out?
Until I can I'd rather stay down here in the basement having a go than drift into just visiting the site to talk about what I had for my tea.
Quote: Teddy Paddalack @ September 6 2012, 7:46 AM BSTIt's as though the the belief has gone and has been replaced by a form of mass apathy. Some members seem to have lost their inner fire to actually create comedy and have instead settled within small cliques or individuals who only serve only to suppress comedic ingenuity by extolling a less than deserved sense of aloofness.
Quote: Stylee TingTing @ September 6 2012, 11:53 AM BSTYes. Plus the sycophantic..
Quote: Stylee TingTing @ September 6 2012, 11:53 AM BSTIt's not clear that anyone can vote, entered or not, but it comes back to a general apathy of comment, I think... plus The Emperor's New Clothes syndrome, eggshell-walking.. and the sycophantic.
Quote: SimonWing @ September 7 2012, 12:35 AM BSTWhere this place should be a meat market where people hook-up and go off on projects together, instead NL/SS says "I like this *smily face*", TT/Sooty says "its shit", and then the scene slides down the board, never to be seen again.
The comment about discussing what people had for their tea is actually not inaccurate, as with this-
Quote: SimonWing @ September 7 2012, 12:35 AM BSTThe elements are all there, but unless people are secretly arranging projects via PM (not impossible), there is a general lack of interest in combining these elments to make something positive happen.
A lot of ideas and work of various sizes and forms do occur behind the scenes, mainly because people have got to know each other online or in real life (after getting to know each other online) and so feel not only that it's worth investing their time and energy to a new project but also because they have a sense of that person or persons as human beings and so feel better equipped comedically, skills share-wise, and more comfortable exchanging ideas and contacts.
Quote: Teddy Paddalack @ September 6 2012, 7:46 AM BSTremember a fan often knows more than a writer.
Disagree.
Quote: Stylee TingTing @ September 6 2012, 11:53 AM BSTWhatever happened to prose? Because, in my opinion, if you can't write prose, you can't write anything.
Interesting point, perhaps as it would need more in-depth thought and additional time spent to give any worthwhile feedback unless it was part of a deliberately set-up prose writing section where people knew they'd get exchange feedback guaranteed? Don't know how you'd do this effectively though.
I think I've reached the point were I don't anticipate replies to my posts so I don't polish them.
This one was naff, if I hit three out of six I'm happy with it though, its just nice to get it out my head and on to a screen.
As for Critique it can at times be lively, but in the main there is a sense of apathy. I've now come to the conclusion that once barbed posts start it's best to stay out of the way rather than argue, otherwise you get lulled into the apathy yourself.