Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 3 2012, 7:12 PM BSTYes.
Yes.
Yes - mainly because you can't send your fist down a broadband cable and punch someone's teeth out.
So you agree there is no difference other than the terminology and also agree that there is a difference?
Quote: zooo @ September 3 2012, 7:21 PM BSTI think I'd rather judge it on a case by case basis, rather than declaring that all physical bullying is worse than all non physical bullying. But that's just me.
Thankfully the law takes a different view and as soon as physical assault is involved, they react much faster. Would I rather someone called my Mum a name or punched her in the face as hard as they could? The answer seems pretty clear cut to me.
We all know RC is impervious to any 'online psychological' bullying, so there is no point trying to affect his steely attitude.
Quote: Loopey @ September 3 2012, 7:30 PM BSTSo you agree there is no difference other than the terminology and also agree that there is a difference?
I agree that it's still bullying. But without the physical aspect, there is a difference. Online fraud and real life fraud don't involve actual violence, so there is a parity.
As ever, your ridiculous extremes render the discussion pointless. 
Quote: dellas @ September 3 2012, 7:32 PM BST
Damn straight! 
Quote: dellas @ September 3 2012, 7:32 PM BST
Truly I was just trying to clarify what he is saying.
I'm starting to wonder if RCP's exaggerated masculinity and aggression towards the ladies. Is actually an attempt to make the BCG a total sausage fest.
I'm not sure I want to be part of that BBQ...
Quote: zooo @ September 3 2012, 7:33 PM BSTAs ever, your ridiculous extremes render the discussion pointless.
Ridiculous extremes? Tell you what, I'll head down to the local Women's Refuge and tell them that they're all being silly billies as online bullying is much worse then being beaten by their violent husbands. Now that, is a ridiculous extreme.
Is that supposed to be something we can't imagine you doing...?
Quote: sootyj @ September 3 2012, 7:38 PM BSTI'm starting to wonder if RCP's exaggerated masculinity and aggression towards the ladies. Is actually an attempt to make the BCG a total sausage fest.
Quite the contrary. If I caved in every time a female poster said something, then that would be incredibly sexist. I respect them enough to engage in conversation and debate and actively seek their opinions.
Playing the hen pecked, yet patronising, head patter is far more insulting in my eyes.
Quote: zooo @ September 3 2012, 7:40 PM BSTIs that supposed to be something we can't imagine you doing...?
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 3 2012, 7:31 PM BSTThankfully the law takes a different view and as soon as physical assault is involved, they react much faster. Would I rather someone called my Mum a name or punched her in the face as hard as they could? The answer seems pretty clear cut to me.
It's worrying that the law takes a different view when an online threat becomes a physical reality which could have been prevented if taken seriously.
I'd be concerned if someone did anything that upset or hurt a loved one, whatever it was and however it affected them.
Quote: Loopey @ September 3 2012, 7:42 PM BSTIt's worrying that the law takes a different view when an online threat becomes a physical reality which could have been prevented if taken seriously.
I think that is part of the problem, talk is cheap and threats aren't always taken seriously. Possibly because there just isn't the manpower to handle the amount of digital talk that goes on between disgruntled parties.
I'm always reminded of that mother with the disabled child who was hounded into suicide by the scum on her estate. They physically attacked her property and called her names in the street, yet the police did nothing. If they don't react over that, then there's not much hope for a non-physical cyber attack.
Quote: Loopey @ September 3 2012, 7:42 PM BSTI'd be concerned if someone did anything that upset or hurt a loved one, whatever it was and however it affected them.
I don't want to get into 'givens', such as my earlier statement that 'bullying is bad m'kay'. Bad stuff happens all the time and I'd rather it was minor bad stuff then major bad stuff.
Well lets separate stuff out.
If I punch you on the shnozz that's assault. If I send you emails for a week in advance of flattening your hooter. That's harassment kinda the legal definition of bullying.
I've committed 2 separate crimes. Both of which are thoroughly horrible and deserving of punishment.
Now if I went on line saying you sexually abused ducks down the park. Then I'm harassing and slandering you, again 2 crimes.
They're different perhaps one is worse, gosh knows only one will make it hard to pick your bogys.
But then only some people who are bullies have the aggression necessary to inflict violence. It seems a shame to let all the others off the hook.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ September 3 2012, 7:48 PM BSTI don't want to get into 'givens', such as my earlier statement that 'bullying is bad m'kay'. Bad stuff happens all the time and I'd rather it was minor bad stuff then major bad stuff.
I am not getting into 'givens' either, I was talking about myself. I wouldn't presume to take it as a given that others think the same.
Nor would I take opinion as fact.
One person's definition of bad and minor stuff isn't going to be the same as anothers.