Quote: zooo @ August 23 2012, 12:35 PM BSTI don't think abortion involves having to eat the foetus...
Well it's only going to waste otherwise.
Capital punishment - yes or no ? Page 8
True.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ August 23 2012, 12:33 PM BSTWe do have a wide vocabularly, that is often used to justify immoral or illegal acts.
If the Chinese government forcibly peform abortions on early term pregnant women, are they murdering babies or merely taking away a few cells? Is it no worse then having a yeast infection forcibly removed or is it denying a right to life?
Once you begin to intellectualise murder, and subvert language to justify these acts, then you are on very dangerous ground.
You are subverting language to suit your argument.
Forcibly performing abortions on unwilling women is not the same as a woman choosing to have an abortion. If you really don't see the difference you need to hit your head against a brick wall.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ August 23 2012, 12:33 PM BSTSo whilst we might be part of the same genus, we are definitely not the same species. You are comparing apples to space shuttles on this one sooty.
And hence we have a complex system of sewers and toilet rolls to obviate eating our own crap.
We have the same problem but a diferent and quite literally more humane solution.
Similarly contraception and abortion obviates the new for baby eating.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ August 23 2012, 12:33 PM BSTWe do have a wide vocabularly, that is often used to justify immoral or illegal acts.
If the Chinese government forcibly peform abortions on early term pregnant women, are they murdering babies or merely taking away a few cells?
No, they are denying the women a choice - that's the crime.
We are masters of our own destiny, not slave to some 'power' from above that lays down moral imperatives.
We come to a cumulative decision about these things - hence the cut off date for abortion etc
"Thin-end-of the-wedge-ism" is one of the scourges of modern thinking - often used by fervent ideologues to prop up their arguments
Quote: sootyj @ August 23 2012, 12:31 PM BSTlions eat their rival cubs to bring the females back into heat.
didn't work for you at that nursery did it?
Are you implying I (and by extension you) eat babies with the hope of making yummy mummmies go into heat?
Yes that or you're just a greedy cannibal bastard.
F**k you.
(sorry but no one else was going for this open goal)
Quote: Lazzard @ August 23 2012, 12:42 PM BSTNo, they are denying the women a choice - that's the crime.
We are masters of our own destiny, not slave to some 'power' from above that lays down moral imperatives.
We come to a cumulative decision about these things - hence the cut off date for abortion etc"Thin-end-of the-wedge-ism" is one of the scourges of modern thinking - often used by fervent ideologues to prop up their arguments
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Quote: Lazzard @ August 23 2012, 12:42 PM BSTNo, they are denying the women a choice - that's the crime.
We are masters of our own destiny, not slave to some 'power' from above that lays down moral imperatives.
We come to a cumulative decision about these things - hence the cut off date for abortion etc"Thin-end-of the-wedge-ism" is one of the scourges of modern thinking - often used by fervent ideologues to prop up their arguments
That
also any involuntary medical procedure is a monsterous thing.
Quote: Lazzard @ August 23 2012, 12:42 PM BSTNo, they are denying the women a choice - that's the crime.
No, that is a crime but not the crime. But this does back up my argument about people playing favourites when it comes to murder.
In your justification, it is perfectly acceptable for women to murder their own unborn children but for no one else to do it? That seems a very flimsy premise.
How about if the father of the foetus wanted to get rid of the cells? Would that be a crime? After all, it's 50% his. Or are there some 'moral' double standards involved?
Again, from the death penalty to assisted suicide to abortion, you cannot justify one and deny the others based on your 'personal preferences'.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ August 23 2012, 12:56 PM BSTNo, that is a crime but not the crime. But this does back up my argument about people playing favourites when it comes to murder.
In your justification, it is perfectly acceptable for women to murder their own unborn children but for no one else to do it? That seems a very flimsy premise.
Every time a man masturbates he murders thousands of unborn children.
Oh dear I can hear the slow, wheezing, clanking sound of the RCP wind up machine kicking into life.
Ok.
Boo hoo! I am unbelievably offended that you think I'm a sexist, pro murder, ball bag. I am now going to hide under a duvet and cry.
You big meany!
Quote: zooo @ August 23 2012, 12:58 PM BSTEvery time super man masturbates infront of a school he murders thousands of children.
What a horrific image!
Quote: zooo @ August 23 2012, 12:58 PM BSTEvery time a man masturbates he murders thousands of unborn children.
Nope, we only murder one. Only a single sperm can enter the ovum. But your argument does hold water with the Catholic church who have made both masturbating and condoms a sin for that very reason.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ August 23 2012, 12:56 PM BSTAgain, from the death penalty to assisted suicide to abortion, you cannot justify one and deny the others based on your 'personal preferences'.
No, of course not.
Rather, the personal preferences of the majority.
Or we could could just subjugate ourselves to some fairy-story figure in the sky, like our cave-dwelling ancestors whose brains weren't properly developed.
Choices have to be made - we can't just go round saying they're too difficult to make
Every sperm is a potential unborn child though.
Men are such callous murderers. 
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ August 23 2012, 1:03 PM BSTNope, we only murder one. Only a single sperm can enter the ovum. But your argument does hold water with the Catholic church who have made both masturbating and condoms a sin for that very reason.
What about freezing your spunk.
Everyone of your little swimmers could be waiting on ice for that special ovum.