Quote: sootyj @ August 21 2012, 10:26 AM BSTI'd say shorter more purposeful sentences is the way.
Quite.
Some people should spend a lot longer in prison.
Most people should spend a lot less.
And probably not the same kind of prisons.
Capital punishment - yes or no ? Page 2
I was thinking that.
And, ironically. the kind of people circulating this sort of thing would probably go mental if you threatened to put down their child-mauling dog.
I don't get the 'death penalty as a deterrent" argument. Don't a lot of American states still have the death penalty? And isn't their murder rate still one of the highest in the Western world?
Of course I do think the world would be a happier place if Ian Brady had 21 breakfasts then a drop.
Quote: Tony Cowards @ August 21 2012, 10:34 AM BSTI don't get the 'death penalty as a deterrent" argument. Don't a lot of American states still have the death penalty? And isn't their murder rate still one of the highest in the Western world?
Where as conversley those with the more humane prison system and capped sentences have the lower murder rate.
Murder is not a rational act.
Quote: Tony Cowards @ August 21 2012, 10:34 AM BSTI don't get the 'death penalty as a deterrent" argument. Don't a lot of American states still have the death penalty? And isn't their murder rate still one of the highest in the Western world?
Prezunctly.
Facebook is having another one of it's kneejerk reactions,
Much as I'd like to see child murderers taken off the face of the earth and the prison and psychiatric services saved millions of pounds, I can't see how we can ever go back to capital punishment, no matter how justified it may be.
The small few wrongful convictions, along with our evolved sense of human rights, means it would/could never be passed by parliament.
I did watch the Brady programme...chilling.
I think if prison is going to be harsher or more redemptive than society has to be prepared to meet the cost.
I mean take away play stations and you need to give the crims something to do.
Or they'll just come out hardened, bored crims.
Educate 'em. Most of them probably never went to school when they were kids, make them do it inside. Although then one or two might kill a granny just to get a free degree.
Quote: sootyj @ August 21 2012, 10:38 AM BSTI think if prison is going to be harsher or more redemptive than society has to be prepared to meet the cost.
I mean take away play stations and you need to give the crims something to do.
Or they'll just come out hardened, bored crims.
They'll all be tiddliwinks champions.
You're quite right, though. They have TVs and pool tables and playstations because nobody knows what else to do with them for the price of a TV, a pool table and a playstation.
And by making educated people unemployable crooks.
It'll discourage the glut of pointless degrees.
Saving a fortune in student debt.
Zooo we should be running the coalition!
*high five*
I get sick about hearing about child murderers all the time, as if they're the be all and end all of evil murderers.
No. Not only could you kill potentially innocent people and just generally it seems a very barbaric and primitive view on life in general. It would be to me the ultimate submission to the state if your saying "yes you have permission to end my life".
And anyway, what kind of message does that send? "Murder is bad, that's why were killing these people."
Quote: Tony Cowards @ August 21 2012, 10:34 AM BSTI don't get the 'death penalty as a deterrent" argument. Don't a lot of American states still have the death penalty? And isn't their murder rate still one of the highest in the Western world?
They also have the right to carry guns, which does not perhaps make theme the best control group for this particular social experiment.