Found not guilty.
John Terry Page 4
Quote: Lee @ July 13 2012, 2:23 PM BSTWho the f**k is John Terry?
I think it's a bit like Japery
Quote: Marc P @ July 13 2012, 2:22 PM BSTGT I have said all this!
Quote: Nat Wicks @ July 13 2012, 2:23 PM BSTFound not guilty.
Where's that big feather when you need it.
( I had that ready for either outcome 
I didn't really)
Quote: Godot Taxis @ July 13 2012, 2:25 PM BST
You've been off the rank too long old bean 
I can't personally think of an occasion where if I was angry at someone I would call them a black c**t. I reckon he probably is a big old racist.
But whether that can or should have been proven in court in this instance I can't say.
Zoo, you black-haired c**t.
Quote: Marc P @ July 13 2012, 2:26 PM BSTYou've been off the rank too long old bean
I got tired of all the arguments. 
Brown haired I'll have you know!
Quote: zooo @ July 13 2012, 2:33 PM BSTI can't personally think of an occasion where if I was angry at someone I would call them a black c**t.
You might if you are an angry racist, or are a massive, ignorant twat who decides to use racist phrases to hurt or get a reaction out of someone.
The idea that when you combine the words black and c**t that you are not trying to turn the word black into something negative is absurd. The combination of the words makes it so. And if you're saying black is something negative, then that's surely racist.
Quote: zooo @ July 13 2012, 2:33 PM BSTBut whether that can or should have been proven in court in this instance I can't say.
Yeah, I'm not sure this should really have gone to court.
Personally I try not to (and generally succeed) use any physical aspect of a person as an insult, and would rather insult them based on their actions. So I wouldn't call John terry a white weasely faced spikey haired knob end, I would call him a morally abhorrent, home wrecking shit turd.
Quote: Matthew Stott @ July 13 2012, 2:54 PM BSTThe idea that when you combine the words black and c**t that you are not trying to turn the word black into something negative is absurd. The combination of the words makes it so. And if you're saying black is something negative, then that's surely racist.
Intent is very important in law, but you can't change the meaning of a word just by wanting to. If I call you a 'Cumbrian c**t' you wouldn't be offended because coming from Cumbria isn't a bad thing in your mind (or mine, obviously).
People think 'black c**t' is racist because they are conditioned to associate any mention of race with - to use your word: 'negative' intent. The sentence in itself is not racist, merely descriptive as it would be with any other adjective.
Quote: Nat Wicks @ July 13 2012, 2:55 PM BSTPersonally I try not to (and generally succeed) use any physical aspect of a person as an insult, and would rather insult them based on their actions. So I wouldn't call John terry a white weasely faced spikey haired knob end, I would call him a morally abhorrent, home wrecking shit turd.
So when you insult people, you try wherever possible not to hurt their personal feelings? There's no logic to that at all.
I don't think the words 'black c**t' are racist in themselves. Of course they're not.
It all depends on context, and the fact he was angry. If he'd been affectionately saying 'come here ya black c**t' and cuddling him, and that was the way those two people often spoke to one another, no one would be accusing him of being out of order.
The fact that the man he called a black c**t (who presumably knows him to an extent, and the way he normally expresses himself) thinks he was being racist says quite a lot.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ July 13 2012, 3:32 PM BSTSo when you insult people, you try wherever possible not to hurt their personal feelings? There's no logic to that at all.
I can see the logic. Totally hurt their feelings, but not about something they have no say in. I don't dislike people based on how they look/where they are from (apart from the Scottsh), so prefer not to make that part of the insult. I don't want to be that person. That person is a massive twatgallop.
Quote: Nat Wicks @ July 13 2012, 3:47 PM BSTtwatgallop
Ace.
If anyone ever Googles "black c**t" now, they're not going to get the hot ebony experience they were hoping for. 
Quote: zooo @ July 13 2012, 3:48 PM BSTAce.
Ace of spades? Is that another racist remark?
Quote: Lee @ July 13 2012, 3:50 PM BSTIf anyone ever Googles "black c**t" now, they're not going to get the hot ebony experience they were hoping for.
I just tried it and got nothing but that. ^