Marijuana/Cannabis. Page 2

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ June 29 2012, 12:22 PM BST

Well there is an argument you could use to legalise everything. I'm sure state run child brothels would also bring in the cash from the rich paedophile crowd, so let's do that too.

Holland is now in the process of banning the sale of legalised dope because of all the anti-social evils that go with it, particularly from foreign tourists. Despite the propaganda put forward by the pro-Spliff brigade that cannabis makes you all chilled out and non-violent - yes, aren't heavily armed Yardies really peaceful - there are reasons, both medical and social for not introducing another addicting substance onto the legal market.

Additionally, it flies in the face of every political party's plan to stop us all from drinking and smoking and to take up bicycling instead.

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No they're not- they're very specifically making it illegal to sell to non Hollandish people. There are no anti-social evils generally associated with MJ, but their certainly is to the toking tourist culture, which are generally still extremely alcohol fueled. Generally large groups of young white dudes. Stupid young white dudes.

Also, MJ isn't physically addictive. Most peoples' addictions come more from the tobacco associated rather than the substance. It is possible to develop abn emotional dependancy, but that's not dissimilar to the emotional dependancy you can get with biscuits. Plus most associated risks can be easy educated out of people.

Quote: Nat Wicks @ June 29 2012, 12:26 PM BST

Also, MJ isn't physically addictive.

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*makes humming and hawing noises as he strokes his chin*

I've known too many pot heads, both here and in America (where they don't mix tobacco with their grass, they just smoke it pure) and to say it's not physically addicting would be a stretch. If the chemicals in your brain crave it, then it's physically addictive in my book.

THC also has a very peculiar effect on the human brain and can trigger all sorts of mental ailments and conditions. Is it any worse then the effects of booze? Probably not. If you have AIDS, do you want to catch herpes too? Probably not.

Personally, if someone wants to smoke a spliff, I don't really care. I can, however see the arguments against it's legalisation and acceptance. Just because we have some legalised 'evils' doesn't mean that we should legalise all evils as a way of making money.

Move over RC, I'm getting in with you.

It would be nice if you didn't have to associate with criminals and fear being nicked, but it'll never be legalised. It would be nice to know it was cut with plastic bags, glass etc. though.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ June 29 2012, 12:36 PM BST

If the chemicals in your brain crave it, then it's physically addictive in my book.

THC also has a very peculiar effect on the human brain and can trigger all sorts of mental ailments and conditions. Is it any worse then the effects of booze? Probably not.

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Booze is physically addictive in a lethally dangerous way; if you quit too suddenly, you can die from the DTs. That won't happen with cannabis.

IMO, the biggest problem with it is the insidious demotivation which people feel. I think it was Richard Pryor who did a routine about how his grass pipe would tell him not to bother doing anything that day...and every day.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ June 29 2012, 11:32 AM BST

As a cigarette smoker

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Dude! If you're going to smoke something, why not get high doing it? My point is that at the end of the day a cigarette gives you nothing but a feed of your addiction. Whereas with a bit o grass in your fag, at least you get some positive effects.

Cigarettes: The Non-alcoholic beer of the smoking world.

*lits a cigarette*

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ June 29 2012, 11:32 AM BST

As a cigarette smoker, the unbelieveable amounts of tax that have been put on my hobby /

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Hobby? Take up basket weaving, or learn to play the guitar instead.

I've seen plenty of patients presenting with cannabis induced paranoia, shells of young and older men and women with no motivation and a head full of scary things. It should never be legalised...to legalise it would be to condone substance abuse and introduce an acceptance of a chemical that has thus far proved to be at best, a gateway drug and at worse an awakening of mental health issues in previous healthy individuals.
We have enough problems with our most legal of drugs..alcohol.

Quote: Shandonbelle @ June 29 2012, 1:31 PM BST

at best, a gateway drug

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I think at best people dabble when they're young, then move on, no harm done.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ June 29 2012, 1:35 PM BST

then move on

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If you mean move on and don't bother with drugs again, I can agree that happens a lot too, but some get sucked in deeper, same as social drinkers can take or leave drink, others become raging alcoholics.

Quote: Shandonbelle @ June 29 2012, 1:31 PM BST

I've seen plenty of patients presenting with cannabis induced paranoia, shells of young and older men and women with no motivation and a head full of scary things.

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I'm pretty sure (and I will have to check) that the only even close to confirmed medical issue with MJ is that it has the potential to trigger some psychological disorders, but then so does drinking. MJ has been around long enough now that if there were real provable tangable links then they would have been proven. I don't for one second want to say that it's totally safe, but I think it's very misleading to say that it CAUSES mental health issues in health people.

It should never be legalised...to legalise it would be to condone substance abuse and introduce an acceptance of a chemical that has thus far proved to be at best, a gateway drug and at worse an awakening of mental health issues in previous healthy individuals.
We have enough problems with our most legal of drugs..alcohol.

Gateway drugs can be anything from cigarettes to speed. It's nto the substance which causes the issue, it's the illegality and peoples' personal miserable experiences which push them into more and more dangerous things.

Quote: Nat Wicks @ June 29 2012, 12:26 PM BST

Also, MJ isn't physically addictive.

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You f**king want it.

Quote: Nat Wicks @ June 29 2012, 1:44 PM BST

CAUSES mental health issues in health people.

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Not so much causes but triggers a disposition, alcohol can do the same but more commonly occurs as a result of long term abuse, with drugs it can be instantaneous/ or over a period of time.

Quote: Shandonbelle @ June 29 2012, 1:31 PM BST

I've seen plenty of patients presenting with cannabis induced paranoia, shells of young and older men and women with no motivation and a head full of scary things.

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And it can make you prematurely grey.