Quote: zooo @ June 11 2012, 11:41 AM BSTThe only ones that ever kept my attention more than 5 minutes were Mario and Sonic get married.
Gay video games are a whole other issue.
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Quote: sootyj @ June 11 2012, 11:45 AM BSThttp://suite101.com/article/adolescent-sex-offenders-a220233
Tis the youth be doing the bad things.
Ah, that is from an American / Canadian study, not a UK one. Do not portray us in the same light as those ultra violent teens. I'm sure factors such as broken familiar relationships due to divorce play a massive part.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ June 11 2012, 11:46 AM BSTSomebody has issues. My Mum is fantastic and a very good model. Plus, she gave birth to me and I am great.
I'll say I've seen her in the Damart catalogue.
And damn can that woman work some thermal long johns and knitted boots.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ June 11 2012, 11:50 AM BSTAh, that is from an American / Canadian study, not a UK one. Do not portray us in the same light as those ultra violent teens. I'm sure factors such as broken familiar relationships due to divorce play a massive part.
Fell into my trap check out the second one.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ June 11 2012, 11:50 AM BSTAh, that is from an American / Canadian study, not a UK one. Do not portray us in the same light as those ultra violent teens. I'm sure factors such as broken familiar relationships due to divorce play a massive part.
Fell into my trap check out the second one.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ June 11 2012, 11:46 AM BSTSomebody has issues. My Mum is fantastic and a very good role model. Plus, she gave birth to me and I am great.
I think you've misindurestood my point again and your oversensitivity has assumed it was aimed at you.
*adds a 'joke' in a 'style' you might appreciate'
I know your mum is fantastic, some soldiers told me.
I think we all misunderstood your point, Wayne. You'll have to explain it.
Quote: sootyj @ June 11 2012, 11:47 AM BSTand the uk stats
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576076/Violent-youth-crime-up-a-third.html
You are playing 'pick n mix' to back up your argument, but violent youth crime has more to do with drugs, gangs and broken homes then video games. Plus you are lumping in sex crimes with overall crime.
Your trap sux donkey ballz!
Quote: Nat Wicks @ June 11 2012, 11:40 AM BSTPerpetuation accross generations is easiest to explain. It's very difficult to grow up in such a media-driven world and not have it have a MASSIVE impact on how you feel about the world. If a child grows up reading the Daily Mail every day, they will more than likely end up being a great big racist. If a young girl's only famous female role models are famous purely for being sexual products, then how are they to grow up identifying as anything else?
Good take.
The whole point of ART is to convert toward the higher level. It is evangelical at heart. AS CS Lewis makes the case in his preface to Paradise Lost. Likewise, as you suggest the opposite side of the spectrum when entertainment has no art sometimes, often lends itself to supporting negative sterotypes, maintaining the hegemony that art would strive to challenge.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ June 11 2012, 11:54 AM BSTYour trap sux donkey ballz!
Big floppy donkey dick, I think would be more suited.
Quote: Marc P @ June 11 2012, 11:54 AM BSTGood take.
The whole point of ART is to convert toward the higher level. It is evangelical at heart. AS CS Lewis makes the case in his preface to Paradise Lost. Likewise, as you suggest the opposite side of the spectrum when entertainment has no art sometimes, often lends itself to supporting negative sterotypes, maintaining the hegemony that art would strive to challenge.
Marc is much better with the old wordage than I am. I'm with you 100%, captain.
Quote: Nat Wicks @ June 11 2012, 11:55 AM BSTBig floppy donkey dick, I think would be more suited.
I remember before video games, young women would not speak in such a vulgar and uncouth manner.
Ban them at once!
Quote: Nat Wicks @ June 11 2012, 11:55 AM BSTBig floppy donkey dick, I think would be more suited.
Marc is much better with the old wordage than I am. I'm with you 100%, captain.
Salutes! 
Quote: Nat Wicks @ June 11 2012, 11:54 AM BSTI think we all misunderstood your point, Wayne. You'll have to explain it.
You shouldn't speak for everybody, just yourself.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ June 11 2012, 11:56 AM BSTI remember before video games, young women would not speak in such a vulgar and uncouth manner.
Ban them at once!
Screw you, penis wielder. Us vag-havers can say whatever filthy f**king shite we cocking well like.
It's probably quite telling that all of my bad words are sexual or fecal. This is a little concerning.
On a different note, if you would like to see a positive depiction of female characters in gaming, get on Mass Effect. I'm 15 hours into my FemShep campaign and I'm fully in love with her. She's an awesome force of righteous kickassery. She's got a pretty nice arse too. And it's okay to say that because her value and worth isn't just liked to her sexiness.
Quote: rwayne @ June 11 2012, 11:59 AM BSTYou shouldn't speak for everybody, just yourself.
I accept this. The query still stands though- would explaining it again in a way that makes sense please?
Quote: sootyj @ June 11 2012, 10:11 AM BSTBut I guess the main point is it illustrates how poor netiquette is getting. YouTube is an absolute swamp and it is attrocious in how it responds to flaming and trolling.
I do worry as I've said numerous times before. The internet encourages no consequences communication, without even having to look some one in the eye or hear their voice. And this seems to short circuit a lot of normal behaviour restrictions.
You have to wonder at the age of the posters. The environment of no consequences could dangerous for kids and teens. Facebook and YouTube etc have been around long enough or almost long enough now that most teenagers have grown up with it as part of life. They are really the first generation to do so. Not sure if it makes a difference but perhaps it makes it harder to see it as something that exists in the real world.
Don't think I've made my point very well.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ June 11 2012, 11:54 AM BSTYou are playing 'pick n mix' to back up your argument, but violent youth crime has more to do with drugs, gangs and broken homes then video games. Plus you are lumping in sex crimes with overall crime.
Your trap sux donkey ballz!
http://ww.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/workspace/publications/SexualisationOfYoungPeople.pdf
True of some crimes, not true of all.
Like the eternal labyrinth the more you think you're out of my trap.
The further you are in...
nb in retrospect as I'm at work I can't find the article I really want. It was by I think the NSPCC. And it was about the shocking levels of child to child sexual abuse in the UK. About how it was both boys thinking they should be abusive and girls thinking they should accept it.
And how one theory (pretty well researched) was the toxic mixture of music, violent games, but above all easy access to hardcore pornography was rewriting kids moral/emotional understanding.
Quote: reds @ June 11 2012, 12:01 PM BSTYou have to wonder at the age of the posters. The environment of no consequences could dangerous for kids and teens. Facebook and YouTube etc have been around long enough or almost long enough now that most teenagers have grown up with it as part of life. They are really the first generation to do so. Not sure if it makes a difference but perhaps it makes it harder to see it as something that exists in the real world.
Don't think I've made my point very well.
Actually a really interesting point and well made.
more and more kids are using touch pad toys before their first year. And are learning to use the internet about the same time they read.
The next generation will be very diferent.
That said I suspect a great many of these kids on YouTube are actually a lot older. The interent seems to create a sort of "Peter Pandominium" character who never grows up.
Quote: Nat Wicks @ June 11 2012, 12:00 PM BSTScrew you, penis wielder. Us vag-havers can say whatever filthy f**king shite we cocking well like.
It's probably quite telling that all of my bad words are sexual or fecal. This is a little concerning.
On a different note, if you would like to see a positive depiction of female characters in gaming, get on Mass Effect. I'm 15 hours into my FemShep campaign and I'm fully in love with her. She's an awesome force of righteous kickassery. She's got a pretty nice arse too. And it's okay to say that because her value and worth isn't just liked to her sexiness.
I accept this. The query still stands though- would explaining it again in a way that makes sense please?
I'll try again then, just for you.
(Though just because YOU didn't understand it doesn't, necessarily, mean it didn't make sense)
My point was regarding the attitudes of men towards women and the scale of the effect video game playing has. I'd suggest these attitudes are largely set early on and less to do with them being altered by the playing of the games.
As for role models my suggestion is that boys (who largely grow into men) who only have their mothers as a role model in their early years and only become 'aware' of females with the onset of puberty and an interest in sex then their overall view of women will be largely of a sexual nature. Particularly the disassociation of these new feelings with their mother (obviously, I know) may also disassociate any other positive attributes of that mother... ' she's not a woman she's my mother' so to speak.