Quote: Lazzard @ April 10 2012, 5:55 PM BSTJust spotted England.
Right at the centre, with the rest of the planet revolving around us
Hurrah!
The way it should be.
I read the news today oh boy! Page 767
Quite bloody right.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ April 10 2012, 3:15 PM BSTNever underestimate the confused liberal. They are a contentious and contradictary breed, easily swayed by emotional rhetoric and middle class white guilt.
Why do you think we had to go all the way to the European Court of Human Rights to get rid of the hate mongers?
Some people are under the emotional misapprehension that laws that protect citizens from arbitrary state power only apply to fluffy bunny rabbits.
The point about court rulings is that they are not governed by emotional rhetoric from last weeks Daily Mail headline but the rule of law.
A rudimentary knowledge of this centuries-old concept, may see a bit less emotional rhetoric and surprise when someone as odious as Hamza has access to lawyers to plead his case.
The law has no wit or imagination, it can not.
Torture is right or its wrong. If its wrong then we can not allow people residing in Britain to be either tortured, or tried using evidence obtained by torture.
Only 50 years ago criminals in the UK could be birched. British citizens have been renditioned and tortured.
Laws don't soften they shatter.
So if you assume aproving the torturing or use of torture around one or 2 terrorist bastards. Will never come back to bite you.
Good luck.
nbthat's not a liberal stance, its simple self interest.
Quote: sootyj @ April 10 2012, 10:46 PM BSTIf its wrong then we can not allow people residing in Britain to be either tortured, or tried using evidence obtained by torture.
What is residing in Britain? Is that the same as hiding? Are we knowingly harbouring terrorists? Isn't that against the law?
Why did Abu Hamza come to Britain in the first place? Wasn't there a terrorist friendly shithole he could have crawled into?
No, f**k him. Living off our tax money as he incited violence and planned the murders of innocents from British soil.
Quote: youngian @ April 10 2012, 10:40 PM BSTThe point about court rulings is that they are not governed by emotional rhetoric from last weeks Daily Mail headline but the rule of law.
Not British law apparently.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ April 10 2012, 11:25 PM BSTWhy did Abu Hamza come to Britain in the first place?
Student of civil engineering apparently.
Quote: Oldrocker @ April 11 2012, 1:32 AM BSTStudent of evil engineering apparently.
Quote: zooo @ April 10 2012, 5:29 PM BSTthe blobbyness of Norfolk.
I beg your bloody pardon!? 
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ April 10 2012, 11:25 PM BSTWhat is residing in Britain? Is that the same as hiding? Are we knowingly harbouring terrorists? Isn't that against the law?
Why did Abu Hamza come to Britain in the first place? Wasn't there a terrorist friendly shithole he could have crawled into?
No, f**k him. Living off our tax money as he incited violence and planned the murders of innocents from British soil.
Abu Hamza is of little importance in himself.
People like him are the canaries in the mines of democracy. As long as they keep tweeting then your rights and freedoms are pretty much fine.
Because the laws that stop him being sent to Jordan.
Are the same ones that stop Gary McKinnon getting 20 years in a US choky. Or British soldiers getting dragged back by Iraqi or Afghan courts.
I feel pretty safe here Abu Bumzer tweeting away. I look forward to him doing more time in prison.
And I hope the ICC eventually becomes an institution capable of dealing with these naughty scamps.
Quote: Marc P @ April 11 2012, 9:21 AM BSTI beg your bloody pardon!?
Erm. I mean blobbyness in a sophisticated, attractive way, of course...
Quote: sootyj @ April 11 2012, 10:16 AM BSTAbu Hamza is of little importance in himself.
People like him are the canaries in the mines of democracy. As long as they keep tweeting then your rights and freedoms are pretty much fine./../
I feel pretty safe here Abu Bumzer tweeting away.
Where's my "eloquent" smiley?
nb Abu Hamzar deserves a knighthood.
Basically he ran a drop in at the Finsbury Park Mosque for Jihadis passing through. They got some money, a sermon and a packed lunch before leaving to spread terror through out the world.
Mi5 rented a flat oposite and took photos of everyone entering the mosque. When they found someone naughty they shared their intelligence with less kindly regimes then the UK. Said terrorist bastard would rock up in Pakistan or Libya or where ever. And find themselves very swiftly picked up and taken away to a much darker fate than a UK nick.
He probably contributed to more terrorist bastards being arrested, tortured or killed then James Bond could dream about.
God bless the pirate looking, shit spouting, f**kwit.
Quote: sootyj @ April 11 2012, 10:16 AM BSTAbu Hamza is of little importance in himself.
This is where I totally disagree with you. Up until his extradition, Abu Hamza and hundreds like him acted as a symbol to foreign terrorists and sent out the message - bomb whomever you like in your homeland, then hide in Britain. The UK Government is a soft touch and the Border Agency is a joke.
From today's news -
Except very few took it up.
As by and large they were kept an eye and eventually shipped out or locked up over here.
Or in most cases flat out didn't get in. Abu Hamza was a bit of an exception. People generally don't recognise how hard their government works to keep them safe.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ April 11 2012, 12:27 PM BSThttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17668569
That is a disgrace. The borders agency is yet another new or revamped government dept with too little money, agency staff, no direction and weak leadership.
This kind of shit is getting endemic. I really fear the day the first G4S Trident submarine sets sailed by 23 illiterate chavs, 12 drunk Poles and Abu Hamza and no one being able to read English well enough to diferentiate between the coffee machine and the missile launch button.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ April 10 2012, 11:25 PM BSTWhat is residing in Britain? Is that the same as hiding? Are we knowingly harbouring terrorists? Isn't that against the law?
Why did Abu Hamza come to Britain in the first place? Wasn't there a terrorist friendly shithole he could have crawled into?
At the time he was fighting with the Afghan Mujahideen against the Soviet Army so he was therefore 'a freedom fighter'.
If the Sun was running Help for Heroes in the 80s they would of bought him a shiny new hook as well.