Quote: zooo @ March 23 2012, 6:15 PM GMTHe's not allowed in the sisterhood with hair like that.
I've seen your Facebook friends list, trust me, he-she doesn't stick out.
I read the news today oh boy! Page 727
Meow!
It is a pretty awful barnet though
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 23 2012, 6:17 PM GMTI've seen your Facebook friends list, trust me, he-she doesn't stick out.
Kinda the point of the trsansgender operation is not to stick out anymore
And the politicians keep involving themselves in the shooting:
Attorney General Eric Holder announced late Tuesday that a team of investigators from the FBI and other Justice offices were headed to Sanford to investigate the case and monitor developments. But just before federal investigators departed for Florida, the Congressional Black Caucus called for the shooting to be investigated as a federal hate crime.
Martin's death "compromises the integrity of our legal system and sets a horrific precedent of vigilante justice," Congressional Black Caucus Chair Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) said in a statement. "As a nation we cannot, should not, and will not ignore, Trayvon's brutal murder and the inconceivable fact that his killer remains free. ... Trayvon had a family, friends and a future all taken away because of the colour of his skin."
A celebrity said that the shooting was a message from God that young African-Americans should go to the polls during November's presidential election and a network news host blamed Rush Limbaugh and all the Republican candidates for the shooting. Aren't election years fun? 
Quote: DaButt @ March 23 2012, 5:54 PM GMTTalk about jumping to conclusions ...
Rubbish! It was not a CONCLUSION as I clearly stated, it is an alternative scenario that fits the published information. I described both scenarios.
A key fact is WHO screamed; an ear witness says the boy, Zimmerman says he shouted for help, two distinct situations, which you ignore.
>Following the man does not mean that Zimmerman started the fight.
That's not what I said. Go back and read it again. I said that if Martin is the one who screamed it indicates that Zimmerman attacked him. After all if Martin was a wrongdoer & deliberately attacked Zimmerman, why the heck would he shout Help.
Bill, you can make up all the scenarios you'd like, but they're full of gaping holes.
You expect us to believe that Zimmerman is such a cold-blooded killer that he thought he could murder someone even though he knew cops would be arriving minutes or even seconds later and that there might be witnesses around.
You expect us to believe that Zimmerman had the presence of mind seconds after killing someone to smash himself in the nose and head to appear wounded.
You expect us to believe that he thought he could get away with murder after giving his name and location to the police.
You expect us to believe that Zimmerman had the presence of mind to claim that it was he who yelled for help, not the kid.
You expect us to believe that police and detectives who are very skilled in interrogation techniques questioned him for hours but were unable to find a hole in his story or detect signs of untruthfulness.
I think DaButt he knew exactly what to do if he wanted to kill someone and get away with it
ScratChing your nuts whilst wearing a hoody a crime punishable by death
You guys must have very few venereal diseases
Cops are very good at reading body language and telling if people are lying.
So the guy is either a murderous psycho or a racist, eh? He apparently has African-American family members and a couple of the African-American residents of his neighborhood said that he'd been very kind to them in the past, so murderous psycho it is.
Let's see them prove it.
Dear God you mean if I got shot my murderer could get away with good body language? Maybe Zimmerman was right maybe Trayon was planning to blow up the moon.
Its that you think a bit of light interrogation is all that's needed which is so chilling
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 23 2012, 6:05 PM GMTExactly. You are speculating (as are we all) based on the evidence to hand but seemingly ignoring Zimmerman's version of events. You have placed a massive question mark over his integrity and motivations without knowing the man.
No, as I said I am presenting two scenarios which fit the real published facts, I've ignored all the media bullshit.
The two key facts, which significantly affect the issue, are missing from all this hoohah are
a) who screamed
b) why did Martin not complete his run home.
Hence a better investigation is required.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 23 2012, 6:05 PM GMTThere was no witness statement because there was no witness. Just as you speculate there may or may not have been a fight or that Trayvon was running to the exit or that the 911 caller was accurate in their audio portrayal of events.
There are plenty of audio witnesses, whose statements have not been published, there is a media video showing one of those witnesses saying that it was a boy's scream, but that video is after the hoohah, so is not totally reliable. A court needs to see her ORIGINAL STATEMENT, which the police report says was taken. There was sufficient audio kerfuffle before the screams for several audio witnesses to decide to phone the police, did NONE of them look out of a window? It indicates that if there was a fight or shouted words they must have taken place at least a minute before the scream, probably longer, to give the witnesses time to decide and to phone the police.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 23 2012, 6:05 PM GMTJust as you speculate there may or may not have been a fight or that Trayvon was running to the exit or that the 911 caller was accurate in their audio portrayal of events.
The report that Martin was running towards the exit was made by Zimmerman himself, on the phone during the course of the incident, there can be little doubt that the running really occurred unless you imagine that Zimmerman was lying throughout. There are only TWO exits, the one he came in through and the one he was going to. See the Google map.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 23 2012, 6:05 PM GMTWe are all 3000 miles away from the events and only given the scantest of information - most of it hearsay and deception, mainly from the media and other interested political parties, so it is impossible for us to give a definitive version of events.
I have taken care above to ignore any of the media hoohah and speculation so I used only the police report, Google maps and video (admittedly transmitted by the media) of actual witnesses and actual recordings of phone calls.
>so it is impossible for us to give a definitive version of events.
Nobody is asking us to, and why should we, but your own words show that there is a requirement for a more thorough investigation or judicial examination of the police investigation to-date, because there is not a definitive version of events
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 23 2012, 6:05 PM GMTAs the Sanford Police had initially sided with the survivor, it seems prudent to believe that this was the actual version of events. Remember, it is innocent until proven guilty and I have yet to see any solid evidence contrary to what has been officially reported by the authorities.
Innocent until proven guilty applies to what happens in a court of law, not to what investigations are done prior to being in court.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 23 2012, 6:05 PM GMTThe reason this case is so important, is because it could have ramifications for any innocent person wanting to defend their life and property in the future.
Cobblers! It will merely mean that, as in Britain, anyone considering fatal action will have to be damn sure that they are really at risk and not imagining it. If someone who approaches DaButt's car and DaButt shoots him in the face (as he has posted that he might do), then DaButt damn well ought to have to explain his actions in Court afterwards if other evidence says that the dead man was only going to ask for a fag or directions.
>Bending to the will of the blood thirsty mob will not result in justice.
This is ridiculous exaggeration on your part. As far as I can see no-one is directly asking for Zimmerman's blood, they are asking for a proper investigation and a proper trial.
Quote: sootyj @ March 23 2012, 8:11 PM GMTIts that you think a bit of light interrogation is all that's needed which is so chilling
You should watch some reality shows (The First 48, maybe?) and see what a real interrogation is all about. The killer gangsta usually ends up crying and asking for his mommy after an hour or two.
Quote: billwill @ March 23 2012, 8:14 PM GMTa) who screamed
You're really hung up on the scream. Even if the kid screamed it is not proof that Zimmerman broke the law in any way.
If someone who approaches DaButt's car and DaButt shoots him in the face (as he has posted that he might do), then DaButt damn well ought to have to explain his actions in Court afterwards if other evidence says that the dead man was only going to ask for a fag or directions.
I wouldn't shoot anyone in the face, at least not on purpose. Center mass, baby.
Quote: DaButt @ March 23 2012, 7:55 PM GMTBill, you can make up all the scenarios you'd like, but they're full of gaping holes.
You expect us to believe that Zimmerman is such a cold-blooded killer that he thought he could murder someone even though he knew cops would be arriving minutes or even seconds later and that there might be witnesses around.
You expect us to believe that Zimmerman had the presence of mind seconds after killing someone to smash himself in the nose and head to appear wounded.
You expect us to believe that he thought he could get away with murder after giving his name and location to the police.
You expect us to believe that Zimmerman had the presence of mind to claim that it was he who yelled for help, not the kid.
You expect us to believe that police and detectives who are very skilled in interrogation techniques questioned him for hours but were unable to find a hole in his story or detect signs of untruthfulness.
Shrug. I said none of those things and I don't expect you to believe an alternative scenario. I clearly stated that I have not made up my mind either way, so do not assume as you have done above that I am would believe that Zimmerman is a cold-blooded killer.
I merely point out that there exist other scenarios and that critical evidence which would clarify which scenario actually occurred is missing (never investigated) or not in the public domain. If the case went to court it would be in the public domain.
You expect us to believe that police and detectives who are very skilled in interrogation techniques questioned him for hours but were unable to find a hole in his story or detect signs of untruthfulness.
Oh so! You are inventing things, There is no published evidence to show that this occurred. The police report stops where the interrogation (called an INTERVIEW) began. Whence came your "questioned him for hours"? For all we know and for all Martin's family know it could have been a two minute interview.
Quote: billwill @ March 23 2012, 8:14 PM GMTDaButt damn well ought to have to explain his actions in Court afterwards if other evidence says that the dead man was only going to ask for a fag
If strange men come up to DaButt asking him for a homosexual, he's asking to be shot. 
I hope something big happens in the news soon so we can talk about that instead...