Quote: Nogget @ March 23 2012, 2:34 PM GMT
Bizarre!
Zimmerman: Shit, he's running.
911: He's running? Which way is he running?
Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance of the neighborhood.
911: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
Zimmerman: The back entrance. (pause) F*cking c**ns.
http://fcir.org/2012/03/23/on-zimmermans-911-call-what-sounds-like-a-racial-slur/
Do you hear it? It sounds so distorted to me that he could have said anything, and I'm sure that by telling people what to expect to hear, and by manipulating the audio to make it "more clear", many people would be misled. He could have said 'farting tunes' for all we know.
I am not taking one side or the other this whole case is a shambles. As far as I am concerned, anyone, including BCG members here, who are jumping to the conclusion that Zimmerman, based purely on his own statements, is innocent of manslaughter is as prejudiced as anyone as jumping the the conclusion that he was guilty of a racial killing. So I'm going to present both sides below as I see them.
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From the point of view of justice, whether or not that 'noise' in that call to 911 was a racial slur has overshadowed the REAL information in that call and the other call earlier, which is that the alleged intruder, was attempting to leave the gated community as fast as he could and was being followed AGAINST POLICE ADVICE, by a man claiming to be Neighbourhood Watch, but for which there is no evidence that he ever announced that he was Neighbourhood Watch. Furthermore what could a person walking through the gated community actually expect from a neighbourhood watch man?
Much rubbish about what notices MIGHT have appeared at the gateways has been postulated on this thread, but what did the signs ACTUALLY SAY! Fortunately there are a few frames 30 seconds in on the BBC video at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17454600
which actually SHOW the relevant notice. You can do your own graphic enhancement to see what it says, or view mine.
It says: "NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH - PROGRAM IN FORCE - We report all suspicious persons & activities to the Sanford Police Department". Note that it does NOT say, suspicious persons will be chased and confonted (or arrested).
The Google-map camera shots of the two entrances of the gated community show that at the time the Google camera went past months or years earlier, these NW signs were there plus a WARNING sign on the gate which presumably relates to motor vehicles, there isn't enough detail to read it but it is positioned where mainly car drivers will see it. The other notices merely say "No Soliciting" and "Tow away zone etc"
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Retreat+View+Cir,+Sanford,+Seminole,+Florida+32771,+United+States&aq=&sll=28.561004,-81.500187&sspn=0.027554,0.038581&vpsrc=0&ie=UTF8&geocode=FS5VtwEdtvom-w&split=0&hq=&hnear=Retreat+View+Cir,+Sanford,+Seminole,+Florida+32771,+United+States&ll=28.793771,-81.330778&spn=0.006873,0.009645&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=28.793771,-81.330778&panoid=UIZzfb0M2oCZTOAL520uWA&cbp=12,175.01,,0,0
and
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Retreat+View+Cir,+Sanford,+Seminole,+Florida+32771,+United+States&aq=&sll=28.561004,-81.500187&sspn=0.027554,0.038581&vpsrc=0&ie=UTF8&geocode=FS5VtwEdtvom-w&split=0&hq=&hnear=Retreat+View+Cir,+Sanford,+Seminole,+Florida+32771,+United+States&ll=28.791784,-81.328798&spn=0.006911,0.009645&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=28.791784,-81.328798&panoid=6MbIZqMVSJV44IN4WgTzQg&cbp=12,263.79,,0,0
IF Martin was not considering doing any suspicious activity, but was, as stated by several witnesses, whose words have as much weight as those of Zimmerman, merely taking a short cut, those NW notices merely say that he might get reported to the police. A fair assumption is that he would not consider himself to be a suspicious person and on being followed by another man (not in uniform) would tend to assume that THAT PERSON was a suspicious person.
From some of the media webpages it seem, there is an unconfirmed statement, from Zimmerman that he asked a question and instead of a reply Martin put up his hood and walked away, the later phone call says he was RUNNING away towards the exit. Was he running from guilt or from fright?
Zimmerman's blood wounds and wet shirt back has been taken as indicating that he was attacked by Martin and shot him in self defence.
IF so, WHAT turned a youth running towards an exit, towards home, into an attacker and WHOSE were the screams.
The video on the web of the witness who heard the screams shows that she thought the screams were from the boy. Zimmerman claims that he shouted for help. Which of those two scenarios is correct? Because if it was Martin that screamed it puts a whole different light on the events. If Martin screamed, it indicates that Zimmerman chased Martin and started the fight, so the death was not due to self-defence, but was indeed an offence as listed on that police report: HOMICIDE - NEGLIG MANSL - UNECESSARY KILLING TO PREVENT UNLAWFUL ACT.
If in a struggle the gun went off pointing the other way and Zimmerman was the dead one, would Martin have been allowed to go free on such cursory police interviews as it was HIS self-defence?
Whatever: it is essential that a PROPER THOROUGH investigation is done and that may require that Zimmerman is tried in a proper court and not by the media. If for legal reasons the FBI can't do it then the State authorities have got to do the job properly this time.
