This hasn't been brought up on here for a while, so I think we should have a discussion about guns. No arguing please.
*Exits*
I read the news today oh boy! Page 720
Yeah, since we all agreed Doctor Who is shit, it's been discussion-free around here.
Quote: Rob H @ March 22 2012, 9:13 AM GMTYeah, since we all agreed Doctor Who is shit, it's been discussion-free around here.
Okay.
America must be a very dangerous place to live if you are deaf or suffer mental illness. Imagine what would happen if a deaf* person 'failed' to respond to an armed homeowner's challenge, or if a special-needs kid acted unusually; their condition could be instrumental in them getting shot.
Compare this to how the Brits treat vulnerable people, even fining the police for trying to save the life of an autistic boy by restraining him incorrectly (presumably failing to follow procedure correctly, for which they receive special training), after he kept repeatedly jumping in a pool.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17366756
*googling shows that this does happen.
Quote: zooo @ March 22 2012, 1:45 AM GMThttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2118280/Russian-space-experts-called-examine-200-kilo-UFO-fragment-fell-sky-Siberia.html
Ace.
Hee, coooool
Quote: Nogget @ March 22 2012, 9:41 AM GMTCompare this to how the Brits treat vulnerable people, even fining the police for trying to save the life of an autistic boy by restraining him incorrectly (presumably failing to follow procedure correctly, for which they receive special training), after he kept repeatedly jumping in a pool.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17366756
*googling shows that this does happen.
That is very upsetting. I can understand them having to use force to remove him from the pool, and perhaps the need for handcuffs if this would help restrain him long enough to be removed from the pool area. Surely there was an area away from the water where he could have been taken after to calm down, instead of the police van.
I think more education of the general public, not just emergency services would be a good thing. Some people think that people with Autism are just a bit slow and will understand if you say something enough or that they are just been difficult over a small issue. This isn't really the case though, their brains are just "wired" differently.
Quote: Matthew Stott @ March 22 2012, 9:10 AM GMTso I think we should have a discussion about guns.
What's your favourite gun Stott?
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 22 2012, 12:44 PM GMTWhat's your favourite gun Stott?
Isn't it the same for everyone?:
His sex is on fire.
Quote: reds @ March 22 2012, 12:00 PM GMTSurely there was an area away from the water where he could have been taken after to calm down, instead of the police van.
Apparently he was too strong for the officers to keep hold of. It may well be that the police actually ended up doing the best thing, but they didn't arrive at that decision by the prescribed method; the laws are very strict about this, and as I've said, the police should have had the right training to proceed correctly.
Quote: reds @ March 22 2012, 12:00 PM GMTI think more education of the general public, not just emergency services would be a good thing.
I agree.
Quote: Nogget @ March 22 2012, 1:11 PM GMTApparently he was too strong for the officers to keep hold of. It may well be that the police actually ended up doing the best thing, but they didn't arrive at that decision by the prescribed method; the laws are very strict about this, and as I've said, the police should have had the right training to proceed correctly.
Of course. unfortunatly in a situation like this, there isn't a one size fits all solution. The laws in place may help protect one group of people but may in some cases put another in more danger.
In a situation where no care worker or family member was present it might be difficult for Police to try and asses the interlectual level on the person they are trying to assist.
Quote: Nogget @ March 22 2012, 9:41 AM GMTAmerica must be a very dangerous place to live if you are deaf or suffer mental illness. Imagine what would happen if a deaf* person 'failed' to respond to an armed homeowner's challenge, or if a special-needs kid acted unusually; their condition could be instrumental in them getting shot.
The law clearly requires that armed citizens must be in fear for their lives, so if the deaf person didn't make any threatening moves he wouldn't be shot. The vast majority of justified shootings take place in the shooter's home, automobile or in a mugging situation. Deaf, dumb or blind, if you're breaking into my home, carjacking me or mugging me, you're going to get shot.
The same law holds true for the mentally ill, of course. Too bad California doesn't allow the average citizen to carry a gun for self-defence, as it would have come in handy when the guy went on a samurai rampage through my local grocery store and started lopping off heads.
Apparently the care workers were present, but the police failed to consult them. Probably because they were too busy stopping the boy from killing himself.
Quote: Nogget @ March 22 2012, 9:41 AM GMTCompare this to how the Brits treat vulnerable people, even fining the police for trying to save the life of an autistic boy by restraining him incorrectly (presumably failing to follow procedure correctly, for which they receive special training), after he kept repeatedly jumping in a pool.
That's a ridiculous lawsuit with a ridiculous outcome.
Did Ed Miliband steal Sarah Millican's gag during Budget 2012?
Most politicians can't deliver pre-scripted jokes anyway. Cameron and Obama weren't much better last week.