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Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 22 2012, 1:45 AM GMT

The Officers noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head and that the back of his shirt was wet, mostly likely from the grass.

Why wasn't this mentioned in any of the media? There was obviously a fight between the men and Zimmerman pulled his gun and shot the guy. The way it's been reported is that Zimmerman coldly shot the guy in cold blood execution style.

Well, that puts an entirely different spin on proceedings, Zimmerman's claims of self defence seem pretty air tight based on the available evidence.

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But where is the Police Report that you read & on which you are basing your statements. The Report that I linked to above does not contain the statements you claimed.

>There was obviously a fight

Not obvious at all, the wet shirt & bloody nose prove nothing, if Zimmerman realised he could be in trouble & bashed his own nose & head & lay on the grass as fake evidence of an attack.

With no apparent witnesses of the shooting, why no polygraph test, why no forensic matching of the recorded screams to see WHO screamed. After all IF it was the boy that screamed, it's highly unlikely that he was attacking Zimmerman.

Quote: billwill @ March 22 2012, 2:20 AM GMT

But where is the Police Report that you read & on which you are basing your statements. The Report that I linked to above does not contain the statements you claimed.

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Um, I think you'll find it did. It mentioned Zimmerman by name. Scroll through the first few badly spelled hand written pages and when you find the typed section, give it another read.

Even DaButt quoted from it, so it's definitely not me going bonkers.

Quote: Stylee TingTing @ March 22 2012, 2:13 AM GMT

Quote: "Convictions of CHL Holders" includes any conviction reported to the Concealed Handgun Licensing Bureau for which the convicted individual held a license to carry a concealed handgun at the time the offence was committed."

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Exactly. If a person with a CHL is convicted of a crime it is automatically reported to the DPS so that his/her CHL is revoked. It doesn't matter whether he/she used a handgun during the commission of the crime.

Of course, they wouldn't "lose" any info and fail to report incidences, would they? They wouldn't massage stats to further their agenda, would they?

No, they wouldn't. It is a state agency that reports crime statistics, it's not a gun advocacy organization, for f**k's sake. Any tampering with the official statistics would be pounced on by the media and gun control advocates in a heartbeat. Like it or not, the facts show the truth: people who go to the time, trouble and expense to obtain a CHL are law-abiding citizens. They can't help but to be so because it's a requirement of the license.

That's not what you wrote at all: you originally wrote about murders "committed", not felons "convicted".

ONE CHL HOLDER WAS CONVICTED OF MURDER IN 2009. If there's no conviction then it wasn't a murder, was it? Can you get that through your thick skull?

..and I'm not feeding this troll anymore.

Your thick troll skull?

Quote: billwill @ March 22 2012, 2:20 AM GMT

Not obvious at all, the wet shirt & bloody nose prove nothing, if Zimmerman realised he could be in trouble & bashed his own nose & head & lay on the grass as fake evidence of an attack.

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Wow, we can add conspiracy theories to racially motivated child killing. This story just grows and grows in the speculation department. All of the speculation in favour of the victim with implied guilt for Zimmerman, that's what I love about this whole thing. Zimmerman must be guilty even if he's innocent.

Quote: billwill @ March 22 2012, 2:20 AM GMT

With no apparent witnesses of the shooting, why no polygraph test

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As far as I recall, polygraphs are not admissible in court in most states.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 22 2012, 2:22 AM GMT

Um, I think you'll find it did. It mentioned Zimmerman by name. Scroll through the first few badly spelled hand written pages and when you find the typed section, give it another read.

Even DaButt quoted from it, so it's definitely not me going bonkers.

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There are no handwritten pages on the Police Report link that I quoted above, so what is the link to the report that you found? I like to read these things first hand from the original documents where possible & form my own opinions, not pre-digested by the media or by yourselves & what I've seen so far does NOT explain why he was released.

Bill, this is taken from the report you linked to:

Quote: billwill @ March 22 2012, 1:35 AM GMT

Which police report were you reading? because this one: http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf
says nothing about it being agreed that there was no case against Zimmerman

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This is the only link I clicked on. I can only think that sometimes pdfs take time to load up the pages and that you might have missed it.

Again, this is what I am directly quoting from.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 22 2012, 2:25 AM GMT

Wow, we can add conspiracy theories to racially motivated child killing. This story just grows and grows in the speculation department. All of the speculation in favour of the victim with implied guilt for Zimmerman, that's what I love about this whole thing. Zimmerman must be guilty even if he's innocent.

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No conspiracy at all, YOU are the one who jumped to the conclusion that there had been a fight. I merely quoted an alternative possibility. I've seen no evidence for either your speculation or my alternative & I certainly have not made up my mind either way on the flimsy reports & media speculation quoted so far.

Quote: billwill @ March 22 2012, 2:35 AM GMT

No conspiracy at all, YOU are the one who jumped to the conclusion that there had been a fight. I merely quoted an alternative possibility. I've seen no evidence for either your speculation or my alternative & I certainly have not made up my mind either way on the flimsy reports & media speculation quoted so far.

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You may not have made up your mind, but plenty of British liberals have accused, tried and condemned Zimmerman based on media reports alone.

I put forward a counter claim that both Zimmerman and the police were correct.

The lack of a witness does allow for speculation, but if I were a Florida cop, I think I would have seen my fair share of shootings, interrogated enough suspects and examined the evidence enough times to know if someone was guilty (or at least charge worthy) enough to warrant an arrest and prosecution.

I just learned that the shooting took place almost a month ago. That's plenty of time to dig up any evidence that's out there, but the man is still free. With the recent involvement of the usual cast of celebrity protestors this is beginning to smell like an orchestrated attack on gun rights.

Also, I read another report that said the gated community was about 50% white and 20% African-American. Haven't heard that in any of the other news reports ...

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 22 2012, 2:35 AM GMT

This is the only link I clicked on. I can only think that sometimes pdfs take time to load up the pages and that you might have missed it.

Again, this is what I am directly quoting from.

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I missed nothing in that report, I have it downloaded here on my computer & have read through it more than once. There is no handwriting, but in the first portion the names have been blacked out with a felt tip. Several sections are repeated more than once. It does state that statements were collected from witnesses (but those statements are not in the report).

The report ends where the 'arresting' officer hands over the interview to Investigator Singleton, (no reasons for his release are give at all). The final sentence is that the gun has been placed in evidence under TS-1

The report is unsigned.

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I see that the BBC report does show warning notices, so I've removed my comment about those.

I don't see them at this entrance

Quote: billwill @ March 22 2012, 2:57 AM GMT

And where are these warning notices (mentioned by persons in this thread) barring entrance to the gated community? I don't see them on this entrance.

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They're not going to include such ugly signage on a promo photo. You should see how many signs our lawyers have made us erect at our gate.

I see a Neighborhood Watch sign, a tow-away sign, a No Soliciting sign and some other sort of warning in this photo: http://g.co/maps/3f25u

Here's some of the signage at my neighborhood's gate: http://g.co/maps/h7k47

Is it international amateur lawyer week?

Hang on this took place in "Sanford"

the fictional town from Hot Fuzz where neighourhood watch murders undesirables

Now it sounds much moe suspicious to me.