Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 21 2012, 1:28 PM GMTYes...and the police report. That's right the official report into the shooting carried out by the police.
Not a mob of race hating celebrities.
Not a fabricated phone conversation.
Not Spike Lee.
The official police report.
Which police report were you reading? because this one:
http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf
says nothing about it being agreed that there was no case against Zimmerman
The Officers noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head and that the back of his shirt was wet, mostly likely from the grass.
Why wasn't this mentioned in any of the media? There was obviously a fight between the men and Zimmerman pulled his gun and shot the guy. The way it's been reported is that Zimmerman coldly shot the guy in cold blood execution style.
Well, that puts an entirely different spin on proceedings, Zimmerman's claims of self defence seem pretty air tight based on the available evidence.
Quote: billwill @ March 22 2012, 1:35 AM GMTWhich police report were you reading? because this one: http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf
says nothing about it being agreed that there was no case against Zimmerman
The fact that he wasn't arrested and jailed makes it clear that the officers didn't think there was a case against him. If evidence to the contrary comes to light that will change.
Quote: sootyj @ March 21 2012, 9:29 PM GMTI have to say DaButt this is another area where your American values seem a little "eccentric" not wrong but just very diferent.
If in the UK you kill some one with a weapon it is considered sufficently unusual, that the police will probably arrest you. Just so that they can make you don't go anywhere whilst they check out what happened.
This taking what the fella on trust so much they didn't even arrest him.
It's a diferent aproach certainly.
Erm, they did take him into custody in handcuffs and interrogated him.
But that's where the police report that I found ends, it does not say why he was released.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 22 2012, 1:45 AM GMTThe Officers noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head and that the back of his shirt was wet, mostly likely from the grass.
Why wasn't this mentioned in any of the media? There was obviously a fight between the men and Zimmerman pulled his gun and shot the guy. The way it's been reported is that Zimmerman coldly shot the guy in cold blood execution style.
Well, that puts an entirely different spin on proceedings, Zimmerman's claims of self defence seem pretty air tight based on the available evidence.
Exactly. It also says that the shooter said he'd been yelling for help, so those may very well have been the screams from the "poor child" that were mentioned earlier.
Quote: zooo @ March 22 2012, 1:45 AM GMThttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2118280/Russian-space-experts-called-examine-200-kilo-UFO-fragment-fell-sky-Siberia.html
Ace.
Looks extremely manmade to me, like the top of a grain silo. Because it fell from the sky, I'm going to speculate (based on no evidence whatsover), that it might be a bit of surveillance equipment from a US spy plane.
Though it's probably the top of a grain silo.
Quote: billwill @ March 22 2012, 1:48 AM GMTErm, they did take him into custody in handcuffs and interrogated him.
I think that is standard procedure for all gun related arrests. I've read articles on firearm websites that tell conceal carry weapon holders to expect to be arrested if they use their firearm in self defence and to comply with the police and tell them straight away if they are carrying.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 22 2012, 1:52 AM GMTLooks extremely manmade to me, like the top of a grain silo. Because it fell from the sky, I'm going to speculate (based on no evidence whatsover), that it might be a bit of surveillance equipment from a US spy plane.
Though it's probably the top of a grain silo.
I think it's a bit off the rocket in Button Moon.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 22 2012, 1:52 AM GMTBecause it fell from the sky, I'm going to speculate (based on no evidence whatsover), that it might be a bit of surveillance equipment from a US spy plane.
I'll go with "rocket debris."
Anything larger than a centimeter or so is tracked carefully, so if it was a piece of space junk it won't be hard to determine its origin.
Quote: DaButt @ March 21 2012, 10:05 PM GMTI can make statements irrelevant to the case at hand, too:
If the guy didn't have a gun and the kid had a screwdriver, knife, gun or atomic bomb in his pants, the homeowner would be dead.
>the homeowner would be dead.
No, It appears that he continued to follow the kid after the police told him to wait.
Just looked at some grain silos on Google Images and they look uncannily like the 'alien' chunkette that fell from the sky.
New theory - something exploded on some farm or industrial plant, blew the top off the stack (or whatever it's called) and the cone landed in the town.
Most boring X Files ever.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 22 2012, 1:52 AM GMTI think that is standard procedure for all gun related arrests. I've read articles on firearm websites that tell conceal carry weapon holders to expect to be arrested if they use their firearm in self defence and to comply with the police and tell them straight away if they are carrying.
Anyone who is arrested will be handcuffed. Even if you aren't officially arrested, cops will typically put you in cuffs for safety purposes while they investigate.
My CHL instructor said that the first thing you should do after (legally) shooting someone is to call a lawyer. He handed out cards from an attorney that will represent you for a n annual fee of $75 -- sort of insurance, I guess. He also warned that you should never tell the cops that you intended to kill the bad guy, rather you should only say that you were attempting to make yourself safe.
Quote: billwill @ March 22 2012, 1:58 AM GMTNo, It appears that he continued to follow the kid after the police told him to wait.
Nothing illegal about that.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 22 2012, 1:59 AM GMTJust looked at some grain silos on Google Images and they look uncannily like the 'alien' chunkette that fell from the sky.
That'd be a mighty small and expensive titanium silo. 
Quote: DaButt @ March 22 2012, 2:02 AM GMTThat'd be a mighty small and expensive titanium silo.
I did say it could be industrial, like the top of a gas pipe. I didn't actually read the article, just looked at the pictures. It's how I got through school.
DaButt:
Read this, from that government stat site you cited:
Quote: "Convictions of CHL Holders" includes any conviction reported to the Concealed Handgun Licensing Bureau for which the convicted individual held a license to carry a concealed handgun at the time the offence was committed."
Of course, they wouldn't "lose" any info and fail to report incidences, would they? They wouldn't massage stats to further their agenda, would they?
Quote: DaButt @ March 22 2012, 1:31 AM GMT1 in 500,000 is exactly what I said: one CHL holder was convicted of murder in 2009.
That's not what you wrote at all: you originally wrote about murders "committed", not felons "convicted".
Quote: DaButt @ March 21 2012, 10:03 PM GMTThe last statistics I read said that there was a total of one murder committed in a year's time by the half-million-or-so Texans licensed to carry a concealed handgun.
Okay?
And this:
Quote: DaButt @ March 22 2012, 12:39 AM GMT..by the half-million-or-so Texans licensed to carry a concealed handgun.
..which you say in several posts.. and then this:
Quote: DaButt @ March 22 2012, 12:39 AM GMTYou apparently don't understand that our guns are not licensed.
I finally get it..
..and I'm not feeding this troll anymore.
I suspect it's part of this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16326942