Quote: DaButt @ March 21 2012, 11:29 PM GMTLooks like the French are blasting their way into the gunman's home. Hopefully he'll come out in a body bag and the cops will emerge unscathed.
Are you just fundamentally opposed to courts and juries?
I read the news today oh boy! Page 716
Regarding the US shooting, it seems to me that some have already judged this case, one way or the other, on spurious hearsay anecdotal evidence.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ March 21 2012, 11:19 PM GMTThe liberals don't want this man punished because he shot someone, they want him punished because he was legally carrying a gun and in their world, that is a complete anathema.
Well I don't know what you'd call me, (heh), but I would like to see complete transparency in the investigation.. a thorough unbiased one.
As if..
We prols don't know and probably never will know the truth of it. What we're given will be filtered via the usual channels.. and public opinion will be formed thereupon.
Quote: Stylee TingTing @ March 21 2012, 11:42 PM GMTWe prols don't know and probably never will know the truth of it. What we're given will be filtered via the usual channels.. and public opinion will be formed thereupon.
I agree totally. When O.J. Simpson walked, I was appalled at the lack of justice, but that was the decision of the court and as much as I disliked the verdict, he was proven innocent and was free to go.
It is normally innocent until proven guilty, unless you anger the liberal media and celebrities and then you are guilty until you are proven guilty.
I do smell fish, though..
Quote: Stylee TingTing @ March 21 2012, 11:31 PM GMTI had to fall for it. People who post links intended to give gravitas to their opinions, which most people take at face value and don't read. If you had anything of worth stats-wise, you'd cut and paste it.
I posted the link so that you could tell that it was an official government document hosted on a government website, not some bullshit I'd made up. I also think that a simple link is much tidier than pasting several pages of text into the forum and annoying the other users.
I just read them and these published statistics are completely misleading.. and of course, they are produced and tailored by a body that openly supports licensed gun ownership.
The Texas Department of Public Safety is an official government organization which issues driver licenses and vehicle registrations. It also takes care of the sex offender registry and is responsible for maintaining the criminal history database for the state.
1) Where are the unsolved Texan shooting crime stats? Nowhere.
With only 1 murder conviction for half a million people, I think it's safe to infer that a minuscule proportion of the unsolved shootings were caused by licensed handgun owners.
2) Where are the murder/shootings' stats where the protagonists had licensed weapons, but which they didn't use in the offences committed? Nowhere.
Carrying a licensed handgun during the commission of a crime is a crime itself and would be included in the statistics.
I could go on and on ripping this "evidence" to shreds..
Let me know when you begin to do so. So far, you haven't refuted anything I've said.
Quote: Harridan @ March 21 2012, 11:33 PM GMTAre you just fundamentally opposed to courts and juries?
He's already admitted the murders. He's admitted that he went to Afghanistan to kill coalition troops. He shot 3 small children in the head and shot 2 policemen when they tried to arrest him this morning.
I don't pay taxes in France but I'd hate to see the nation pay for an expensive trial for this piece of shit, so I hope he takes the coward's way out and shoots himself in the head or forces the cops to shoot him. Either way, he gets his 72 virgins, France saves money on a trial and the world is rid of a murderous terrorist.
Guns are great. Would Jesus lie?
Quote: Nil Putters @ March 21 2012, 11:57 PM GMTGuns are great. Would Jesus lie?
Jesus said: Let me tell you something, pendejo. You pull any of your crazy shit with us, you flash a piece out on the lanes, I'll take it away from you, stick it up your ass and pull the f**king trigger till it goes "click."
Quote: DaButt @ March 21 2012, 11:51 PM GMTWith only 1 murder conviction for half a million people..
If you read them properly, you'll see that they have been very selective in their stats: all the murders and violent assault convictions, committed in the year 2009 are not included, let alone the unsolved stuff.
Quote: DaButt @ March 21 2012, 11:51 PM GMTI think it's safe to infer that a minuscule proportion of the unsolved shootings were caused by licensed handgun owners.
You're entitled to your opinion, but that would be laughed out of court. So all licensed gun owners don't commit any crimes of violence? One per 500,000? You're having a laugh.
Quote: DaButt @ March 21 2012, 11:51 PM GMTCarrying a licensed handgun during the commission of a crime is a crime itself and would be included in the statistics.
You've barely understood anything I wrote before.
Where are the stats concerning licensed gun owners who committed violent crime whilst NOT in possession of their own licensed weapons, i.e. using an unlicensed one? Nowhere. How many murderers and violent criminals had licenses for guns that weren't used in their crimes? They haven't printed those stats. Heh.
Any licensed gun owner who wanted to commit such a crime would be a complete idiot to use their own licensed weapon... and those stats aren't there.
These stats are tailored to show that violent crime and licensed gun ownership do not go together. Texas sounds like Shang-ri-la.
It just amazes me that there are people out there who buy such drivel.
[quote name="DaButt" post="862712" date="March 21 2012, 11:56 PM GMT"
He's already admitted the murders. He's admitted that he went to Afghanistan to kill coalition troops. He shot 3 small children in the head and shot 2 policemen when they tried to arrest him this morning.
I don't pay taxes in France but I'd hate to see the nation pay for an expensive trial for this piece of shit, so I hope he takes the coward's way out and shoots himself in the head or forces the cops to shoot him. Either way, he gets his 72 virgins, France saves money on a trial and the world is rid of a murderous terrorist.[/quote]
Have to agree with this. And don't give me shit about his human rights - all accounts indicate he didn't act like a human being when killing these children.
Quote: Stylee TingTing @ March 22 2012, 12:16 AM GMTIf you read them properly, you'll see that they have been very selective in their stats: all the murders and violent assault convictions, committed in the year 2009 are not included, let alone the unsolved stuff.
The only things not included are convictions for people under 21. You have to be 21 to get a concealed handgun license, so a comparison would be useless. By definition, unsolved crimes are committed by unknown parties, so how could a comparison be made if you don't know whether the person has a permit or not?
So all licensed gun owners don't commit any crimes of violence? One per 500,000? You're having a laugh.
One murder conviction per 500,000. Facts are facts.
Where are the stats concerning licensed gun owners who committed violent crime whilst NOT in possession of their own licensed weapons, i.e. using an unlicensed one? Nowhere. How many murderers had gun licenses for weapons that weren't used in their crimes? They haven't printed those stats. Heh.
Any licensed gun owner who wanted to commit such a crime would be a complete idiot to use their own licensed weapon... and those stats aren't there.
You don't understand at all. The license is for carrying a concealed handgun. Handguns themselves are not licensed, nor are rifles or shotguns. The license is merely a permit to carry a concealed handgun and shows that you have taken the required safety course and passed a background check, written test and a shooting proficiency test.
The fact that license holders are screened for criminal backgrounds is why the crime stats are so low. In my case, I received my license at age 48. If I haven't committed a serious crime in almost half a century it's a safe assumption that I'm not likely to do so in the future.
How many criminals convicted of violent crimes in Texas were also permit holders?
Does that spell it out?
Conveniently, those stats are missing.
The stats you cite concern licensed gun usage in SOME violent crime convictions, not all violent crimes committed by permit holders using unlicensed guns or other weapons.
Quote: keewik @ March 22 2012, 12:25 AM GMTHave to agree with this. And don't give me shit about his human rights - all accounts indicate he didn't act like a human being when killing these children.
He told the cops that he'd planned to kill more people today and that he was going to upload the videos of all his killings to the Internet. I hope they cut off his Internet access (and gas supply, for the sake of the other residents in the building) as soon as they discovered his identity.
Quote: Stylee TingTing @ March 22 2012, 12:31 AM GMTHow many criminals convicted of violent crimes in Texas were also permit holders?
Does that spell it out?
Conveniently, those stats are missing.
No, they are all there: aggravated assault, sexual assault, kidnapping, manslaughter, etc.
Quite a few pages to catch up on since last I visited.
Probably a good job you can't shoot people for talking bollocks or this place
would look like the battle of Towton!
Quote: Stylee TingTing @ March 22 2012, 12:31 AM GMTHow many criminals convicted of violent crimes in Texas were also permit holders?
Stylee, just to clarify, if you are allowed to have a permit to carry a concealed handgun, you cannot have any previous criminal conviction. You also have to be free of mental illness and be a citizen of the USA. (insert joke here)
Quote: Stylee TingTing @ March 22 2012, 12:31 AM GMTThe stats you cite concern licensed gun usage in SOME violent crime convictions, not all violent crimes committed by permit holders using unlicensed guns or other weapons.
NO. THEY. DON'T.
You apparently don't understand that our guns are not licensed.