Quote: Rooface @ February 22 2012, 6:09 PM GMTTim Burton, as much as I love him also has a bad habit of doing this. I never saw the need in CATCF for the whole father storyline.
WTF is CATCF? Please don't use abbreviations as people like me don't understand.
The book is pretty much always going to win, especially if read first, really struggling to think of an exception.
There are though a few great films where I have never felt any inclination to read the book: The Name of the Rose, Fight Club, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.
Quote: Bob Hicks @ February 22 2012, 9:52 PM GMTThe Nightmare on Elm Street films - I hated the films (for not being scary) until I read the books. The books were better than the films.
Quote: zooo @ February 22 2012, 11:08 PM GMTHow old were you when you watched them?
They certainly scared the crap out of me. (At about 13+)
I guess I was young enough to have maybe found them scary but I just thought Krugar was funny and the effects were good but silly.
I have found very few horror films actually scary. For me most horror films are funny, dark comedies.
As a kid the only horror film I ever remember having an effect was a made for TV movie called 'Scream Pretty Peggy' - a film that stars Bette Davis!
Ah, I find most (good) horror films scary. But I suppose being scared by a film is voluntary.
I watched an Elm Street film for the first time as an adult recently and because I used to find them so scary I decided to not be affected by it, and I wasn't. Actually some of the effects were quite funny.
Some films are derived from short stories and are usually far superior then the originals, such as Blade Runner.
And some movie remakes are far better then the originals -
John Carpenter's The Thing
3:10 To Yuma
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
The Fly
Scarface
But, these are few and far between and I wish Hollywood would stop doing remakes altogether. (or at the very least, remake crap movies so they are good)
Quote: Chappers @ February 22 2012, 11:27 PM GMTWTF is CATCF? Please don't use abbreviations as people like me don't understand.
Charlie and the Werthers original factory.
Quote: zooo @ February 23 2012, 12:02 AM GMTAh, I find most (good) horror films scary. But I suppose being scared by a film is voluntary.
I watched an Elm Street film for the first time as an adult recently and because I used to find them so scary I decided to not be affected by it, and I wasn't. Actually some of the effects were quite funny.
Horror films scare me more now than they did as a kid. When I was a kid I loved gore, now, not so much. Many horror films in the 80s were big and loud, the films that scare me are subtle and use lighting and sound to full effect.
Plus its hard to find a film scary when all the victims are stupid and dumb. If you can't run without falling over you deserve all that you have got coming.
Next time you watch 'The Exorcist' and the girl is getting funky with the cross in her hand - listen to the voice and tell yourself that Peter Cook got paid to voice the demon. It changes the impact of the scene and makes it funny!
Quote: Bob Hicks @ February 23 2012, 12:29 AM GMTHorror films scare me more now than they did as a kid. When I was a kid I loved gore, now, not so much. Many horror films in the 80s were big and loud, the films that scare me are subtle and use lighting and sound to full effect.
I think you are writing off a golden age in horror film production with your comments Bob.
I never read Salem's Lot, but the original two part television series was just about the scariest thing I ever did see.
I've previously mentioned both The Thing and The Fly, Halloween influenced every single slasher flick ever created, Fright Night was both hilarious and scary, American Werewolf in London is a classic, Hellraiser brought an uneasy S&M vibe that disturbed audiences, The Evil Dead was brilliantly farcical, Poltergeist brought the ghost story into the modern age - I could go on and on, citing everything from Christine to The Shining.
I can't get on with a lot of modern horror, though I did enjoy the very first Saw movie - but the vast majority are either torture porn, video verite or dead Japanese girls - exciting when you first see them, but they soon become incredibly similar.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ February 23 2012, 12:43 AM GMTI've previously mentioned both The Thing and The Fly, Halloween influenced every single slasher flick ever created, Fright Night was both hilarious and scary, American Werewolf in London is a classic, Hellraiser brought an uneasy S&M vibe that disturbed audiences, The Evil Dead was brilliantly farcical, Poltergeist brought the ghost story into the modern age - I could go on and on, citing everything from Christine to The Shining.
All of those are AMAZING.
I can't get on with a lot of modern horror, though I did enjoy the very first Saw movie - but the vast majority are either torture porn, video verite or dead Japanese girls - exciting when you first see them, but they soon become incredibly similar.
Torture porn can bugger off.
Don't know if Battle Royale comes under your 'dead Japanese girls' genre, but that's flipping good too.
Harry Potter Books are better than the movies
Quote: zooo @ February 23 2012, 12:48 AM GMTTorture porn can bugger off.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ February 23 2012, 12:43 AM GMTI think you are writing off a golden age in horror film production with your comments Bob.
I never read Salem's Lot, but the original two part television series was just about the scariest thing I ever did see.
I've previously mentioned both The Thing and The Fly, Halloween influenced every single slasher flick ever created, Fright Night was both hilarious and scary, American Werewolf in London is a classic, Hellraiser brought an uneasy S&M vibe that disturbed audiences, The Evil Dead was brilliantly farcical, Poltergeist brought the ghost story into the modern age - I could go on and on, citing everything from Christine to The Shining.
I can't get on with a lot of modern horror, though I did enjoy the very first Saw movie - but the vast majority are either torture porn, video verite or dead Japanese girls - exciting when you first see them, but they soon become incredibly similar.
Horror and Sc-Fi are my two favourite genres of film (followed by comedy). John Carpenter is one of my favourite directors. All the films you mention are indeed classics. The Thing is possibly my favourite movie. American Werewolf is another favoutite and John Landis is still one of my favourite directors. It has always been hard trying to justify why I find horror and sci-fi so thrilling - most movies made within the genre are pants. But even with the films you mention, very few actually scared me. I am not being dismissive of a genre, I am just saying that they very rarely scared me. I like ideas and horror and sci-fi are all about the ideas. They also sometimes reflect real life in a way I find fascinating. I agree with you about modern horror films. Most are rubbish because Hollywood is good at trying to recycle ideas without getting what it was that made the original idea great in the first place.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ February 23 2012, 12:16 AM GMTSome films are derived from short stories and are usually far superior then the originals, such as Blade Runner.
Blade Runner's a novel (Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?) and for me better than the stylish yet empty film. Minority Report and Total Recall are based on short stories, and the films are better, although Total Recall differs quite a lot from the source material, and I'm sure ends with a talking squirrel.
Quote: Timbo @ February 22 2012, 11:44 PM GMTThe book is pretty much always going to win, especially if read first, really struggling to think of an exception.
There are though a few great films where I have never felt any inclination to read the book: The Name of the Rose, Fight Club, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.
Fight Club, Train Spotting, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (the TV series), One flew over the Cuckoos Nest, Kick Ass.
There's quite a few in my opinion
And of course Dr Zhivago and the Bible.
Hey Zooo heard you were making a film with David Hasslehoff
Quote: zooo @ February 23 2012, 12:48 AM GMTTorture porn I can bugger Hoff.
That's torture for which one of you?