Quote: chipolata @ February 22 2012, 9:52 AM GMTAre you doing any more with him? I notice he's done an olympic one with another Mark!
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Urgh. One of my 'right on' friends on Facebook put up a picture of a crying native Brazilian indian with the description about how the government is turning his forest hunting grounds into farms and his tribe will have to adjust.
We live in the 21st Century, the days of running around the jungle in just your pants carrying a bow and arrow are over. This vision of the 'noble' savage and the Western guilt associated with 'destroying' their way of life is pretty much the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ February 22 2012, 11:49 AM GMTWe live in the 21st Century, the days of running around the urban jungle in just your pants carrying a bow and arrow are over. This vision of the 'noble' savage and the Western guilt associated with 'destroying' their way of life is pretty much the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
If I want to be a vigilante you can't stop me.
I am "Robin Hoody!"
Quote: sootyj @ February 22 2012, 11:54 AM GMTIf I want to be a vigilante you can't stop me.
I am "Robin Hoody!"
The thought of sootyj fighting crime in just a pair of stained pants is certainly enough to deter most people from leaving the house, never mind committing unlawful acts.
Quote: Timbo @ February 22 2012, 12:29 PM GMTChristians have been shorrendously persecuted throughout history. Most usually by other Christians. It has been a remarkably schismatic and bloodthirsty religion.
..and now they're persecuting the animists of Amazonia.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ February 22 2012, 11:49 AM GMTUrgh. One of my 'right on' friends on Facebook put up a picture of a crying native Brazilian indian with the description about how the government is turning his forest hunting grounds into farms and his tribe will have to adjust.
It's not about clearing land for "farms to feed the people". It's about the price of wood: some exotic rainforest trees are worth $1,000,000 plus on the open market. That's per tree.
Quote: Stylee TingTing @ February 22 2012, 12:45 PM GMT..and now they're persecuting the animists of Amazonia.
It's not about clearing land for "farms to feed the people". It's about the price of wood: some exotic rainforest trees are worth $1,000,000 plus. That's per tree.
I think you'll find that the population of Brazil needs lots of farmland for food. If exotic woods sell well, then that's a bonus.
Thankfully, these exotic hardwoods are so valuable, that the Brazilians have really embraced the whole re-planting, sustainable thing.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ February 22 2012, 12:52 PM GMTI think you'll find that the population of Brazil needs lots of farmland for food. If exotic woods sell well, then that's a bonus.
A bonus for who, exactly?
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ February 22 2012, 12:52 PM GMTThankfully, these exotic hardwoods are so valuable, that the Brazilians have really embraced the whole re-planting, sustainable thing.
If you believe that, you'll believe anything.
Quote: Stylee TingTing @ February 22 2012, 12:56 PM GMTIf you believe that, you'll believe anything.
I believe in life after love.
Politics again. Said foriegn Minister mentioned in previous post has resigned his position. Now there is a leadership ballot on Monday, to decide who will "run" the Governing party.
This means the media has four whole days to talk about who might win.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ February 22 2012, 12:52 PM GMTI think you'll find that the population of Brazil needs lots of farmland for food.
The whole "clear the rainforest for farmland" initiative is complete b.s. In the dry season, the land is cleared and cursorily planted.. in come the invited media to take pictures.. and off they go again.. and as soon as it starts raining, (which it does a LOT), what little (very poor) soil there is, is washed away.
The whole process renders the land useless.
It's all about the price of wood.
Check out the growing population figures of Brazil -
http://www.celebratebrazil.com/population-of-brazil.html
There's already been predictions about a global shortfall in food production based on current population growth.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ February 22 2012, 11:49 AM GMTUrgh. One of my 'right on' friends on Facebook put up a picture of a crying native Brazilian indian with the description about how the government is turning his forest hunting grounds into farms and his tribe will have to adjust.
We live in the 21st Century, the days of running around the jungle in just your pants carrying a bow and arrow are over. This vision of the 'noble' savage and the Western guilt associated with 'destroying' their way of life is pretty much the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Depending upon the habitat type traditional means of exploiting the environment can be the most optimal and sustainable use of land resources. Rain forest is a notoriously low nutrient habitat that once cleared quickly ceases to be of use for agriculture, though in some parts of the Amazon forest dwellers have been able to create workable plots through centuries of careful composting. The forest also play an important role in sustaining the planet's climate and are a source of incredible biodiversity that is invaluable in medicine, as well as having an intrinscic value as a unique habitat. There is a lot of evidence that those living in 'primitive' societies smile much more, laugh more readily and are generally more content than those of us in more hierarchical, intensely consumerist societies. Most often economic progress tends to mean making land grabbing gangsters rich and leaving a desert, with natives being exploited as slave labour or reduced to drink addled wrecks. But I suppose we must have progress.
Quote: Renegade Carpark @ February 22 2012, 11:49 AM GMTWe live in the 21st Century, the days of running around the jungle in just your pants carrying a bow and arrow are over. This vision of the 'noble' savage and the Western guilt associated with 'destroying' their way of life is pretty much the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
You really need to travel more - and not merely to tourist destinations. How about you visit Papua and observe how deforestation and mining have changed the lives of stone-age tribes? Not for the better. Those who protest are tortured or imprisoned or shot, or all three. Asian and African rulers are equally, if not more so, to blame, than the 'West' for destroying ancient tribes.
Quote: Timbo @ February 22 2012, 2:13 PM GMTDepending upon the habitat type traditional means of exploiting the environment can be the most optimal and sustainable use of land resources. Rain forest is a notoriously low nutrient habitat that once cleared quickly ceases to be of use for agriculture, though in some parts of the Amazon forest dwellers have been able to create workable plots through centuries of careful composting. The forest also play an important role in sustaining the planet's climate and are a source of incredible biodiversity that is invaluable in medicine, as well as having an intrinsic value as a unique habitat.
Great post, Timbo.
Quote: Timbo @ February 22 2012, 2:13 PM GMTMost often economic progress tends to mean making land-grabbing gangsters rich and leaving a desert..
TIMMMMBERRRR!!!! ..and they're laughing all the way to the bank..
..on Geneva High Street.
One of my friends has taken to upwardly inflecting her voice on every statement as if it were a bloody question. Do I tell her this is pissing me off, before I hack her to death, or leave her to work it out in the afterlife?