Quote: Aaron @ January 16, 2008, 9:07 PMAt least they're not fish fingers.
Why is it that when you say it, it doesn't sound like yummy food, it sounds more like a condition you can catch from one night with Charley?
Captain Birdseye....what were you thinking?
Quote: SlagA @ January 16, 2008, 9:08 PMOne day kids will read that and think how unliberated mankind was before a spider became the first arthropod prime minister.
I voted for the Moth personally. He had some sound views on the EU.
Quote: SlagA @ January 16, 2008, 9:08 PMOne day kids will read that and think how unliberated mankind was before a spider became the first arthropod prime minister.
Not on my watch. *loads fresh round*
Quote: RubyMae - Glamourous Snowdrop at large. @ January 16, 2008, 9:11 PMI voted for the Moth personally. He had some sound view on the EU.
What, send 'em all towards the light? The big big light we call "the sun"?
As one might expect, I have arrived!! 
I shall address some of the points the best that I can.
EATING BABIES. The majority or piglets and lambs that are slaughtered are around the 16 - 20 wk old mark. In my book that's a baby. They act like babies, play like babies and run for cover to thier mum (in the unlikely event that she's available)just like any other baby that I've ever encountered.
BLEEDING ANIMALS TO DEATH. All fowl and mammals in this country that are meant for the meat trade are bled to death. They may, in the case of the captive bolt, for instance, be fatally injured but this is not the normal cause of death.
STUNNING PRE-SLAUGHTER. Based on the experiences of human victims of torture who have sustained something best described as the same or similar to animals that are 'stunned' pre-slaughter it is common for them to describe a paralysis without loss of sensation. That is to say, they felt the pain but were incapable of indicating that.
FORCING ONES OPPINION ON ANOTHER. Indeed it is a frightfull state of affairs when one person's view point is forced on another. I hope that every black that subscribes to this forum will support the right of the Ku Klux Klan to burn their crosses, express theire oppinion and in doing so express their right to threaten them. I hope that ever Jew will support free speech for the Nazi party and every woman will recognise the right of a man to treat her as he will.
FLUSHING KITTENS DOWN THE TOILET. If one decides to take the stance that it's ok to flush that which is surplus away then we must be reasonable in that thought process.
The girl babies that are problematic to the Chinese should be left to die. The starving black babies should die. You might call it a tidy up.
IF YOU WERE HUNGRY DURING THE WAR THEN YOU'D EAT IT. Mate, if I were hungry enought then I'd eat you and your babies - but I'm not. That is the point.
SO, YOU DON'T LIKE PETA. So what?
I live with animals and, like your good selves, am an animal. I have existed without eating them for many, many years and will defend my stance to the last. That stance might mean that I would defend you, as an animal, for which I may be deeply sorry. But I will defend you, non the less.
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Quote: marion @ January 16, 2008, 9:21 PMSO, YOU DON'T LIKE PETA. So what?
Ahem, I said I had a problem with the way they put their message across sometimes. I also said that they do have good intentions behind it. I just personally feel that the message gets lost when you resort to more extreme measures. Don't give me attiude because I said that. I'm not against animal rights, and feel fairy strongly about them, as you would knowing having fully read my posts as you clearly have. If you believe that's the way you think the message should be put across, then that is your belief and I respect that because you are inititled to your opinion as I am to mine so please read the posts first and think before you post.
Sorry but I found that unnecessary.
Yes, Rube is on your side of the fence, Marion. Don't alienate allies and opponents in one post. 
Yep, the democrat defends the right to freedom of speech but the faschist (political / religious / scientific / racial / add your own category) always refutes that right and so democracy is the ideology that is inherently predisposed to fail when confronted by uncompromising will.
But we can only act with the knowledge we're given. The past can only be judged within the context of the standards of the past. If anyone still held to flushing kittens down a toilet then we'd be horrified BUT I don't think we'd be so horrified if we were living in pre-war Britain. Times change, attitudes change, but to find the past guilty is deflecting from energies better expended in the present.
Quote: SlagA @ January 16, 2008, 9:37 PMTimes change, attitudes change, but to find the past guilty is deflecting from energies better expended in the present.
What he said...
Quote: SlagA @ January 16, 2008, 9:37 PMYep, the democrat defends the right to freedom of speech but the faschist (political / religious / scientific / racial / add your own category) always refutes that right and so democracy is the ideology that is inherently predisposed to fail when confronted by uncompromising will.
Slaggy, remember, naturally I'm blonde. All I read was "Blah blah blah blah monkey on a pogo stick blah blah sandwich blah blah cute handbag blah". At least draw me a picture!
Democracy for you and me. Every 5yrs we go the polls to elect a Dictatorship.
Quote: Jerf Roberwitz @ January 16, 2008, 9:44 PMDemocracy for you and me. Every 5yrs we go the polls to elect a Dictatorship.
I think that is the Oxford dictionary definition of contradiction.
Quote: RubyMae - Glamourous Snowdrop at large. @ January 16, 2008, 9:42 PMAll I read was "Blah blah blah blah monkey on a pogo stick blah blah sandwich blah blah cute handbag blah". At least draw me a picture!
LOL - what I meant was because a democracy upholds the right to disagree, while faschist fundamentalism won't allow for difference in official stance, democracy is always going to be the weaker by its nature. 
I still don't think that helped you ... or me. 
And before people mention the Cold War etc, simpler explanations (if that was one, Rube) don't cover every angle.
Quote: SlagA @ January 16, 2008, 9:55 PMLOL - what I meant was because a democracy upholds the right to disagree, while faschism fundamentalism won't allow for difference in official stance, democracy is always going to be the weaker by its nature.
I still don't think that helped you ... or me.
You see, this is why they never liked me in political theatre classes.
Marion has an enigmatic passion for animals which I believe should be applauded. I consider myself an animal lover yet I will eat chicken & I have in the past eaten beef & pork. I have little Cavalier Spaniels that are second only an ickle bit, to my boys. I have a cat who hates my guts yet still I love. I am disgusted daily when I read of terrible abuse on animals, by pet owners & of breeders who refuse to stop selling puppies at Christmas. I believe a dog licence should be brought back in order to try & stem unwanted & abused animals.
I am a meat eater as I eat chicken, so therefore it would be deeply hypocritical of me to moan about people who do. Also I will still cook Pork & Beef for my family. I will not have Lamb in my house though. Nor will I touch or prepare fish, game, duck, rabbit etc.
Whilst I am not against the death of animals for food, I will actively give money to help bears who are forced in cages, inches bigger than them. Just so the bile can be collected, from a tube in their stomach. Thankfully we DO live in a society where we don’t do that. Well we don’t have bears for one.
I did use to enjoy fish but has anyone actually ever seen a fish die? Let me tell you that it takes ages & ages & ages. They are not lobbed over the head, they are left to flap about & suffocate. I have seen a fish die. A beautiful rainbow coloured fish who fought for his life. Well over 20 minutes it took! Horrible. They would not bash it over the head because it ruined the look on your plate.
Anyway eat whatever you want. Eat Drink & be happy. All I am saying is that in today’s society there is no need for anything to be done inhumanely. There is no need to eat 3 week old Babies. Nor to the age Marion described. There is no need to breed pigs like wild fly. That poor Sow spends her short life on her side feeding those babies. Just to give you fatter bacon etc. Breed & slaughter animals for food by all means. Just give them a great life before you send them to our plates.
PS. Always check in supermarkets. Packaging may have the British Flag on it but often it is the packaging that was made in Britain. The animal may have been killed in a different country & in a far more horrific way. Always read what you are buying. Supermarkets are out to con us.
Quote: RubyMae - Glamourous Snowdrop at large. @ January 16, 2008, 9:33 PMAhem, I said I had a problem with the way they put their message across sometimes. I also said that they do have good intentions behind it. I just personally feel that the message gets lost when you resort to more extreme measures.
This is the point I was trying to make elsewhere in regards to the horrific case of the dead woman's body being stolen by certain activists. People dilute their message and turn people away from sympathising with them and listening to them. Pity really, since it's often actually quite a reasonable (underlying) message that they're trying to get across. But heyho, no one to blame but themselves 'n' all that. 
Quote: Charley @ January 16, 2008, 10:59 PMNor will I touch or prepare duck.
Not even crispy aromatic duck?! 
Quote: Aaron @ January 16, 2008, 11:19 PMThis is the point I was trying to make elsewhere in regards to the horrific case of the dead woman's body being stolen by certain activists. People dilute their message and turn people away from sympathising with them and listening to them. Pity really, since it's often actually quite a reasonable (underlying) message that they're trying to get across. But heyho, no one to blame but themselves 'n' all that.
Not even crispy aromatic duck?!
I cant prepare something that I walk along the canal to feed.
It would be like looking after my neighbours cat for a few weeks then eating it lol
Different kind of duck!
Quacky little bastards. Don't half taste good though.