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Quote: Gavin @ January 19 2012, 4:33 PM GMT

Well BCG would be in trouble eventually when the law passed, because unless Aaron and mark have cleared all the images on directory or news, it infringes copyright, also anyone who has avatars that they didn't make. The same.

It's not just about whinging "artists" because they aren't getting paid enough, it's about big business having a hand in government deciding what you can and cannot look at.

I know, I'm not for it, just pointing that out about touring. I am against people stealing music, though. Naughty.

Quote: Gavin @ January 19 2012, 4:33 PM GMT

Well BCG would be in trouble eventually when the law passed, because unless Aaron and mark have cleared all the images on directory or news, it infringes copyright, also anyone who has avatars that they didn't make. The same.

Um, they can do that now - private companies not the government. If Aaron renamed this site the Official Disney British Comedy Guide and bedecked it with images of Mickey, Goofy, etc. Then it would be closed in a heart beat.

Just because Internet Piracy is rife, doesn't make it justifiable - see my Summer Riots analogy for further proof - and if someone doesn't step in soon, then we are all going to suffer.

Do I agree with the SOPA bill as it now stands? No. Should there be some form of SOPA to protect copyright? Yes.

Proof? Your riots analogy was closer to total bollocks!

There will always be people who steal. Fact. Whether that's downloading a TV show or walking out of HMV without paying for that latest chart topper. Nothing you, I, the creative industries, or anyone else can do to stop it.

But those industries can make it easier for themselves, and make big indentations in piracy, by adapting their distribution methods. When the CD came along did record companies spend 15 years insisting that they would only sell vinyl? I mean, for f**k's sake, Spotify is basically doing what Napster did, 13 years later! Talk about behind the times.

The point is that it's the industries that need to change, to cater to their audience's consumption patterns. Did restaurants close down when people stopped going out to eat as often? No, they just started offering home f**king delivery services to keep up with their clientele. It's not rocket science.

And it's ventures exactly like Lovefilm, Netflix and Spotify that prove this point. How long has it taken to establish them, how far behind the consumer curve are they? But look at how popular they are now they're available. THAT is proof.

There's already more than enough legislation around that caters for the closure of and punishment of establishments and individuals who are prolific (and more to the point, money making) pirates. All of this DEBill, SOPA, PIPA bullshit is just that.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ January 19 2012, 3:55 PM GMT

Of course, when AJGO's smash hit sitcom 'Monkey Shaggers' hits the DVD and download charts and she gets a cut from every purchase made, she will immediately forgive every single pirate bay site in existence.

In fact, she will ride around the town centre on her bicycle distributing free copies to all and sundry saying 'Do not pay expensive prices for my hard work, I'm only a writer, we deserve nothing!'

'Will there be a second series of Monkey Shaggers?' the people will cry.

'No. The first series didn't make enough money.' AJGO will retort.

And then pirates attack! Pirate Pirate

I don't think people who produce creative work deserve nothing, I think the way forward is a more direct link between fans and producers and better access and rates for what individual audience members require. And stop telling everyone about 'Monkey Shaggers'.

Peter Serafinowicz had some pretty interesting things to say about why he pirates even his own stuff.

http://gizmodo.com/5539417/why-i-steal-movies-even-ones-im-in

He seems to be agreeing with Aaron though, so I'm guessing he must be wrong.

Quote: Aaron @ January 19 2012, 5:23 PM GMT

Proof? Your riots analogy was closer to total bollocks!

There's already more than enough legislation around that caters for the closure of and punishment of establishments and individuals who are prolific (and more to the point, money making) pirates. All of this DEBill, SOPA, PIPA bullshit is just that.

First off, go and wash your mouth out you Sweary Mary. ;)

Second off, there are about a gazillion torrent sites around the globe offering up the latest films, DVDs and video games. Top notch, quality entertainment costs money to produce and if the investors don't reap the benefit, then guess what will happen?

Put it this way, remember how good British television and music were before the multi-channel, Napster days? That's right, spread the money too thinly and it's BBC 3 and Little Mix for the rest of our lives.

I agree that the distribution was too slow for the Internet age and now a generation of consumers have grown up thinking they are entitled to everything for free. So how do you combat global organised crime and an apathetic group of thieves numbering in the the millions?

Oh I know, introduce laws to stop them being naughty.

Quote: AJGO @ January 19 2012, 5:29 PM GMT

And stop telling everyone about 'Monkey Shaggers'.

I can't help it. It's boss.

Monkey shaggers

Sitcom or autobiographial sitcom?

And how long will I retain intellectual copyright on that joke?

nb during the cat bin lady fiasco somebody put a photo on YouTube of someone having sex with cat.

Will SOPA help stop this sort of thing happening?

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ January 19 2012, 5:40 PM GMT

I can't help it. It's boss.

Might have to actually write it now (percentage of profit going to RC for title suggestion of course)

Quote: sootyj @ January 19 2012, 5:43 PM GMT

Monkey shaggers

Sitcom or autobiographial sitcom?

And how long will I retain intellectual copyright on that joke?

A really long time

Quote: AJGO @ January 19 2012, 5:45 PM GMT

(percentage of profit going to RC for title suggestion of course)

Oh the cruel irony.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ January 19 2012, 5:40 PM GMT

Second off, there are about a gazillion torrent sites around the globe offering up the latest films, DVDs and video games. Top notch, quality entertainment costs money to produce and if the investors don't reap the benefit, then guess what will happen?

Put it this way, remember how good British television and music were before the multi-channel, Napster days? That's right, spread the money too thinly and it's BBC 3 and Little Mix for the rest of our lives.

I agree that the distribution was too slow for the Internet age and now a generation of consumers have grown up thinking they are entitled to everything for free. So how do you combat global organised crime and an apathetic group of thieves numbering in the the millions?

Sure. Almost all fair points. But the response shouldn't be to make criminals of the people whose money you want, who you SHOULD be doing everything to get on your side, but to offer alternative and more flexible delivery methods. Every study, every statistic, every piece of remotely independent research on these issues - not to mention anecdotal evidence such as we've seen from the likes of DaButt in this and many other threads across the internet - shows that people are perfectly willing to pay for content, but not at such inflated prices and with such strings attached.

Spotify, Hulu, Lovefilm and Netflix all have pricing models that shame the idea of paying £12.99 for a 12-track CD with a 29 minute runtime, and AFAIK they're all doing well for themselves, all in profit and all paying relatively healthy royalty cheques to the relevant parties.

Studies have also shown that the more people pirate, the more money they are likely to be spending on entertainment legitimately, particularly live music and associated merchandise. Take that into account, and almost every single argument that these creative industries make, particularly the record companies, fall apart.

Movie and TV are a little different, and there are higher costs involved. But it's still no greater a challenge than re-thinking how they distribute their content, and indeed concentrate on making high quality stuff that people actually want and are happy to go and pay for. As someone (AJGO?) intimated above, the public are more than happy to pay out to support and reward people for making something that they love.

Quote: Aaron @ January 19 2012, 5:57 PM GMT

Sure. Almost all fair points. But the response shouldn't be to make criminals of the people whose money you want,

That made me think of that anti-piracy bit on legally paid for DVDs that you can't skip through that is cut out of the pirated versions! :)

Dan

Well exactly. Preaching to the converted, isn't it? Ridiculous. That's just the most perfect example of the backwards attitudes of these industries. There is no one out there who doesn't know that buying an illegal DVD is wrong, they don't need telling, and even less so when they buy a proper copy. Bonkers.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ January 17 2012, 2:35 PM GMT

If it's your Birthday tomorrow, then it's going to suck, as you won't be able to get the multiple Facebook greetings that your friends throw together at the last second with no wit, emotion or forethought.

Laughing out loud

Quote: swerytd @ January 19 2012, 7:44 PM GMT

That made me think of that anti-piracy bit on legally paid for DVDs that you can't skip through that is cut out of the pirated versions! :)

Dan

Those adverts are really scary, I recall a sketch where they went totally over the top, busting through the house, shooting people in the head, can't remember who did it though.

Personally I think the film and music industry should look at their pricing policies. If they want to stop people stealing stuff they should reduce their prices. £12 for a CD is ridiculous, don't get me started on the price of cinema tickets, total rip-off!

Quote: AngieBaby @ January 19 2012, 7:57 PM GMT

Those adverts are really scary, I recall a sketch where they went totally over the top, busting through the house, shooting people in the head, can't remember who did it though.

IT Crowd? 'You wouldn't shoot a policeman, and steal his helmet, and go to the toilet in his helmet, and send it to his grieving widow, and then steal it again' Laughing out loud Laughing out loud Laughing out loud

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