In or out? The European question.

So with all the palava about Europe should UK be in the EU still?

Pluses

1 We get to traid with loads of other rich countries on favourable terms
2 Stop countries invading each other.
3 The Eurovision song contest.
4 Some good legislation our own parliament would never have agreed.

Negatives

1 EU parliament is full of fascist racist and lilly livered commies at the same time.
2 The Greek equivalent of Del Boy seems to have run off with a trillion dollars.
3 Only the worst politicians get elected.
4 It's a bit shit really.
5 Some truly awful legislation we're stuffed with.

Let's get the f**k right out. They all hate us anyway. the Eurovision Song Contest is a good marker of where we actually stand.

All I know is that we're not in the single currency, but we're still affected by its problems, so who could say just how it would change if we were out of the EU?
I'm sure we'll soon all be part of China anyway.

I am not sure personally, but I have heard our trade wouldnt change too much by leaving the Europen Union ala the swiss.

Can't find actual figures as to how much our economy would realistically lose if trading terms changed on our leaving the EU. Considering the shocking and still rising unemployment figures here it seems a right cheek to have to pay 300million quid to support a currency we're not using.

Europe is a wonderful place - a place I want to be part of.

Yeah, the political bods are all douchebags, but then so are ours.

Quote: Will Cam @ October 29 2011, 2:33 PM BST

Let's get the f**k right out. They all hate us anyway. the Eurovision Song Contest is a good marker of where we actually stand.

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Summed up in two lines.

Quote: TopBanana @ October 29 2011, 2:51 PM BST

Europe is a wonderful place - a place I want to be part of.

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They won't be able to stop us from visiting, Banana.

In or out only makes a difference if we can shake it all about.

Commissioner Cam has nailed it methinks

The EU is bizarre, refugee camps and truncheon happy cops in Spain and Italy to keep Muslim immigrants out. Whilst Englans fills up with terrorists we can't lock up or evict and the US want to hang.

If we come out then we will gain enormously, I reckon, both economically and socially. We won't have to get dragged down by the Euro crisis, we won't have to comply with their anti British human rights laws, that some other members seem to ignore anyway (France!).

We may lose the right to freely work and get health care in Europe, but only the privileged few can seem to get work out there anyway. We can still visit and holiday there, buy homes there if we want (I think), and much more importantly get hundreds of thousands of our own jobs back because the Poles and Slavs and French and every other freeloader won't be allowed to flock here and take our jobs, homes, benefits and healthcare anymore.

If it harms trade to Europe, so what, we'll trade with China and Asia and the USA. And I believe if Britain was brave enough to leave, then other big nations would definitely follow, perhaps even Germany, and if Germany leaves, the EU is over! I think and I hope its demise is coming, just a matter of years, if not months from now. The Euro disaster will wake evrybody up to this totally unfair, socially crippling organisation.

You're such a political lightweight, sootyj.

Everyone knows Eurovision is not just an EU thing. The majority of the competing countries have been non-EU.

Oh Kevin that's the diference between patronising tolerance and rights.

If you're happy being in the eurovision contest because you're tolerated.

Good luck you milquetoast communist.

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ October 29 2011, 3:09 PM BST

They won't be able to stop us from visiting, Banana.

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No, but I said I want to be part of it.

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ October 29 2011, 3:32 PM BST

get hundreds of thousands of our own jobs back because the Poles and Slavs and French and every other freeloader won't be allowed to flock here and take our jobs, homes, benefits and healthcare anymore.

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I get what you're saying but think it's important to point out that if people are legally working then they're contributing to healthcare costs and aren't claiming benefits. No-one can be blamed for wanting a better life for themselves and their families; it's the government's fault if current laws mean that there aren't enough jobs and homes to go round, not 'foreigners''.

But it does help keep salaries and working conditions down.