Quote: Gavin @ January 6, 2008, 9:15 PMNever Liked Final Cut, used to run one on those awful fancy toaster G4's and it crashed constantly. Mac's are only really industry standard coz they used to be more stable and handle that kind of process better, then the luvvies latched on and basically kept Mac afloat, but Windows XP is pretty stable and I do all my editing on it and I will never use a Mac again.
Now here's a man who's talking sense! 
Quote: Aaron @ January 6, 2008, 9:14 PMFCP is the more 'cut price' of the two, for lack of a better phrase, though.
That's true, but knowing your way around FCP has it's uses if you want to do editing for a living. Which I was set to do, before realising it was a bit dull.
Quote: Gavin @ January 6, 2008, 9:15 PMNever Liked Final Cut, used to run one on those awful fancy toaster G4's and it crashed constantly. Mac's are only really industry standard coz they used to be more stable and handle that kind of process better, then the luvvies latched on and basically kept Mac afloat, but Windows XP is pretty stable and I do all my editing on it and I will never use a Mac again.
Sounds about right, for sure.
Quote: Seefacts @ January 6, 2008, 9:18 PMThat's true, but knowing your way around FCP has it's uses if you want to do editing for a living. Which I was set to do, before realising it was a bit dull.
Don't tell my Mrs. 
Quote: Aaron @ January 6, 2008, 9:29 PMDon't tell my Mrs.
If it's creative stuff it's quite exciting, but I could well have been destined for . . . DUM DUM DUUUUUMMM - corporate videos!!
... Anyone got any Video Arts stuff? WANT.
I use Avid and absolutley love it! I've only ever used it on a PC before but I am thinking of buying it for my mac-perhaps I should think again!
Keep with it - you'll find yourself in Hollywood before long. 
You guys are killing me. Yeah, macs are shit - all hail xp! FCP is so cut price and shit that enables you to edit mixed format video in the timeline without converting it - a feature that apple have just ported to their £125 amateur package FC express.
Firewire was co-developed with Sony, which is why all Sony computers have a firewire port. It is not just superior to usb2 in sustained transfer rates it works over longer cables and allows more devices to be daisy-chained. I think (all though I'm not sure of this) it can also carry more power than usb2.
People paid a lot of money for their Avid suites and they're not going to disappear soon, but new producers are picking FCP for it's huge power and great value.
I should have a PC because i put up websites but i can't f**king stand the look of them or the interface.
Well I can't f**king stand the look of Macs, their clunky, overbearing interface, their price... In short, there is NOTHING I like about Apple products, and everything I hate.
So let's leave it there.
You've lost it now. 'Clunky'? That's just an adjective that doesn't fit OS X in any way.
And the price argument always makes me laugh. Good quality pc hardware isn't cheaper. And how much is the full edition of Vista? £369? Leopard costs £85. It's more stable, fuller featured, more secure and works on lower spec'd machines.
I don't like Apple design much either - but I'm a designer and I care about how things look. PCs in comparison have NO design. They're just boxes full of chinese circuit boards.
I could never use a PC again. It's a noisy fridge with wires coming out of it. Just looking at a PC makes me feel ill. I'm a designer too, so yea.
Aaron - this one's for you :
Quote: Godot Taxis @ January 9, 2008, 3:13 PMYou've lost it now. 'Clunky'? That's just an adjective that doesn't fit OS X in any way.
It fits on every level.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ January 9, 2008, 3:13 PMAnd the price argument always makes me laugh. Good quality pc hardware isn't cheaper.
Hello Godot. Welcome to the Planet Earth. You've obviously never been here before, so let me show you around...
Quote: Godot Taxis @ January 9, 2008, 3:13 PMAnd how much is the full edition of Vista? £369?
Vista's a piece of shit. At least it looks good though, unlike...
Quote: Godot Taxis @ January 9, 2008, 3:13 PMLeopard costs £85.
'Cos you've already paid out of the arse for the hardware.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ January 9, 2008, 3:13 PMIt's more stable
Complete opposite is true in my experience.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ January 9, 2008, 3:13 PMfuller featured
Ditto.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ January 9, 2008, 3:13 PMmore secure
Oh not this old argument again. Any OS is only as secure as the person(s) using it, what websites they may visit, and what software they install.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ January 9, 2008, 3:13 PMI don't like Apple design much either - but I'm a designer and I care about how things look. PCs in comparison have NO design.
Rather depends what machine you buy, and where from. If you go down the PC World route, then yeah, you'll just get a lump of grey and black-ness. Cases come in a wide array of shapes, sizes, colours and styles. But that's the good thing about Windows. It isn't locked down to its own arse-rapingly-overpriced hardware. - And they say that Microsoft are anti-competitive...! 
Of course, a Mac IS a PC, but let's not go down that particular road. 
Quote: Nick Rivers @ January 9, 2008, 5:01 PMAaron - this one's for you :
Quote: Nick Rivers @ January 9, 2008, 5:01 PMAaron - this one's for you: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant
Ha ha ha. I'm also on the Mac hating list for the records.
Charlie Brooker is a famous hater too. His tounge-in-cheek articles on the subject are very funny. Here's an example... http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html
To quote him...
Macs are glorified Fisher-Price activity centres for adults; computers for scaredy cats too nervous to learn how proper computers work; computers for people who earnestly believe in feng shui.
Macs are glorified Fisher-Price activity centres for adults; computers for scaredy cats too nervous to learn how proper computers work; computers for people who earnestly believe in feng shui.
too true... I do not like MACs why? Because they aren't PCs