Kill Bill 1's great. Kill Bill 2 just repeats the formula, but with far less panache. Basterds was more fun than I thought it would be, but marred by too much cartoonery and a silly ending.
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Thing for me is Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, True Romance the first 15 minutes of From Dusk till Dawn.
Just roll off the screen with a kick ass sneering, Rockabilly swagger. They are absolutely some of the funniest, smartest most thrilling films ever.
Basterds, Kill Bill, Natural Born Killers are by comparison so stagy slow and witless. They're like unlovely cracked reflections of a previous great whole.
They're the sort of silly films Tarantion's real stars used to joke about for 5 minutes. And then laugh their asses off at.
The reviews reflected how poor they were.
So why do people actually like them?
I don't get it.
Quote: sootyj @ August 26 2011, 10:25 PM BSTThe reviews reflected how poor they were.
Kill Bill and Basterds both recieved plenty of good reviews; they're both in the 80+% positive range on the compiled ratings on Rotten Tomatoes.
Quote: sootyj @ August 26 2011, 10:25 PM BSTSo why do people actually like them?
I don't get it.
Because they were a bunch of fun to those that did like them. Obviously not so fun if you thought they were shit though.
Plus it's always a bit off to start trying to dictate what people should and shouldn't like. They like what they like.
Quote: Matthew Stott @ August 26 2011, 10:32 PM BST
Because they were a bunch of fun to those that did like them. Obviously not so fun if you thought they were shit though.
Indeed. It's all personal preference. So no point getting in a Tis Waz about it.
Don't get me wrong, I don't feel the same way about the films he's made in the last ten years as I do the ones he made in the first ten, but I enjoy them for what they are.
Quote: Matthew Stott @ August 26 2011, 10:32 PM BST
Kill Bill and Basterds both recieved plenty of good reviews; they're both in the 80+% positive range on the compiled ratings on Rotten Tomatoes.Because they were a bunch of fun to those that did like them. Obviously not so fun if you thought they were shit though.
Average metacritic 69 that's an above average.
So granted they're not Spykids 4.
But that's quite a drop from 94 for Pulp Fiction.
So ok they're above average.
But is all that you want from a film?
Quote: chipolata @ August 26 2011, 10:38 PM BSTPlus it's always a bit off to start trying to dictate what people should and shouldn't like. They like what they like.
What do they like though?
Quote: sootyj @ August 26 2011, 10:44 PM BSTBut is all that you want from a film?
I want different things from different films; from Kill Bill, for example, I expected and got some bloody, silly, absurd eye candy.
Quote: Marc P @ August 26 2011, 10:44 PM BSTWhat do they like though?
They'll like what I f**king tell them to like!
Quote: Marc P @ August 26 2011, 10:44 PM BSTWhat do they like though?
They like you Marc...
Hurrah 
Quote: Matthew Stott @ August 26 2011, 10:46 PM BSTI want different things from different films; from Kill Bill, for example, I expected and got some bloody, silly, absurd eye candy.
I like trashy fun as much as the next guy. But the fatal weakness for me on Kill Bill was how slow, pompous and dull it was.
It was no Roadhouse or Redheat.
Quote: sootyj @ August 26 2011, 10:50 PM BSTBut the fatal weakness for me on Kill Bill was how slow, pompous and dull it was.
Much like your argument on what makes a good film.
I used to be a bit of a snob towards movies but then I remembered that they're allowed to be just fun. Kill Bill wasn't a great masterful piece of cinema. But it was fun. I like martial arts movies and this was just another one in a big long list of cheesy fun.
Fun. Fun. Fun.
There was only one slow bit in Kill Bill 1 for me - the learning to use a sword bit dragged on a lot, but even within that sequence there were good bits. The rest of the film was fast and lots of fun.
I agree that NBK was dull though.