Quote: Kenneth @ August 22 2011, 2:35 PM BSTTosh. Ketchup is the Malay word for sauce, often thick, sweet soy sauce. The red stuff is tomato sauce.
Ah, but did they get the word from us, and then misuse it?
Useless facts. Page 8
Quote: zooo @ August 22 2011, 2:52 PM BSTAh, but did they get the word from us, and then misuse it?
You must be joking? It's originally a Chinese word, taken by the Malays, and picked up from the Malays by the European explorers. Ketchup, orangutan and amok are all examples of Malay words that ended up in the English language.
Ketchup? Seriously?
Innnnnteresting.
Ah, Wiki says there are several theories on the etymology of the word. I shall remain open minded...
*waits for catskillz to post YT links*
Quote: zooo @ August 22 2011, 3:09 PM BSTAh, Wiki says there are several theories on the etymology of the word. I shall remain open minded...
Theories??? Anyone who lives in Southeast Asia and knows what's what, will tell you the Chinese came up with the word (or something like it), which was adapted by the Malays and then borrowed by the Europeans - and ultimately misused to refer to tomato sauce. The notion that Malays could have borrowed the term from the West is ludicrous. *wanders over to Wikipedia to see what the hell this "several theories" crap is* Oh for Pete's sake: American anthropologist E.N. Anderson claimed that ketchup is a cognate of the French escaveche, meaning "food in sauce". The word also exists in Spanish and Portuguese forms as escabeche, "a sauce for pickling", which culinary historian Karen Hess traced back to Arabic iskebey, or "pickling with vinegar". The term was anglicized to caveach, a word first attested in the late 17th century, at the same time as ketchup.
Kecap it ketchup is ketjap. Not escabeche.
Quote: Kenneth @ August 22 2011, 3:38 PM BSTTheories??? Anyone who lives in Southeast Asia and knows what's what
Well, everyone likes to claim that they came up with things.
Quote: Kenneth @ August 22 2011, 2:35 PM BSTTosh. Ketchup is the Malay word for sauce, often thick, sweet soy sauce. The red stuff is tomato sauce.
And it is now used in many places to mean red sauce,so ketchup is also red. And disgusting.
Yes Kenneth, words like Gymkhana and jodhpurs are Hindu, probably adopted by us in the'colonial days'.
Balti is a cooking vessel not a recipe.
Next thing you'll be telling us Curry's Indian as well!
Is this called 'useless facts'?
Quote: sootyj @ August 23 2011, 9:12 AM BSTNext thing you'll be telling us Curry's Indian as well!
Not in England. In England it is 99* percent Bangladeshi - at restaurants anyway!
* Completely verified statistic.
Yeh but that's part of the Indian subcontinent
Hull City is the only English league club without a closed letter you can colour in.
Quote: sootyj @ August 23 2011, 9:50 AM BSTYeh but that's part of the Indian subcontinent
Nobody goes to a European restaurant or a Southern American restaurant. Or a British restaurant. Not in Sheringham anyway.
Yeh but in Sheringham no one goes to restaurants since the lord mayor declared cookery a form of witchcraft.