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Sketch Writing

Do any of you believe that you are writing ground breaking material on here? If you don't, then why are you bothering to write at all? I'm not slagging you lovely people off, nor am I having doubts about continuing writing myself. I'm somewhere in the middle. Fence boy they'll call me as they shout from their sides of the fence with their feet firmly in the greener grass.

I think it's excellent to see people practicing on here. Hopefully learning with every new sketch they write. Feedback is fun and when it works the community is great. I am wholeheartedly for it.

BUT. I get the sense it's going nowhere. It's all the same-old same-old. There are quite a few people on here doing quite well for themselves and the best of luck to them indeed. There not the ones I'm concerned with. To be honest, I'm not really concerned with anyone in particular because to some it's just a hobby, others take it further, the odd few, it's everything to them.

Sorry I'm rambling. Let me try to make my point here.

When was the last time you read a sketch and got genuinely excited? Yes, it's true, some of Steve Sunshine's have known to give me a semi. But when I look across the landscape of critique or a sketch on YouTube, even something on the telly. A lot of the time I don't feel that X factor. TBH, it rarely happens in comedy anyway. With a song, a book, a piece of film or art, it probably happens quite a lot. But with comedy, it's a lot more rare.

Your favourite sitcom, sketch show or film probably makes you wet your pants with laughter. But I bet it doesn't always make you feel "alive". WARNING: Leevil is intoxicated and is aware what a knob he sounds like.

I get frustrated with myself that I don't have those moments within my own writing. It makes me question and doubt why I am bothering. A part of me just wants to write some funny shit. But there's another part that wants to write something that matters. Not necessarily in a way that makes a change, as a political comedian would. But something with weight. Something probably much deeper than that. It's the scene, joke, comedian you think about when you ask yourself why are you writing. It's not like I'm striving to be considered an inspiration to anyone. It's more about creating that moment when you get excited about writing, where you think "I wanna do that" - "I want to create that moment". Again, it's not about creating a catchphrase or the next Dead Parrot sketch. It's about stirring the emotion that makes writing feel like an art form. Something that resonates deep within the human conscious. But like I mentioned, it's hard to do that with comedy because it's such a throw away thing. Unlike a piece of music, which can be repeated without loosing much steam.

As already indicated, I am intoxicated. I'm probably spouting a load of bollocks. But it is something that tortures me whenever I reflect upon my writing.

If you were curious, my "thing" is The Jerk. Y'know, that Steve Martin film. Not really high art at all. Not even the funniest film and not even my favourite Steve Martin film. But there's something about that film that does something to me. It ignites the writing fire in my belly. It makes me think that everything I write pails in comparison and thus rendering it pointless.

My post is about sketch writing and that isn't even a sketch. But even so, I still think the point stands. I still crave to write something I'm truly proud of. Although that probably never happens to anyone ever (who isn't delusional).

I made a thread a few weeks ago that didn't really work but was trying to make somewhat the same point. Don't know if you saw it? Comedy: What next? Huh? It's probably an extension of the thing I'm talking about now. Forget the "format" question, that's not what I was really after, it was more about originality in comedy. And how we can start writing something that we actually care about, rather than just another throw away sketch that we've seen someone else do already.

Damn, I better stop before I forget my point.

I can't speak for the others, but I will put a sketch in the comp which usually takes about two minutes to concieve and type out.

Apart from that, I used to put them up when they were there to test an idea, but, as I've told people in pm, I don't consider anything that goes up on this site My Copyright, once it's out there, anyone on the planet can have or rewrite it.

I suspect things that are really good and different, people keep to themselves and don't post up on a public forum. I won't. But if something's harmless and not something you plan to take any further it's just the equivelant of workshopping ideas, finding out what people like/dislike for when you do your proper stuff.

EDIT: The stuff you said toward the end, is a true cry of an artist. It's inspiring as it avoids people resting back on half-hearted medicocrity.

And I agree, it's something I think about all day every day. I have writings and extracts of things I would LOVE to put on here in order to get 'feedback' but the truth is, you can't just put stuff on websites that you care about, unless, it's stuff that you don't plan on using or that you're prepared to have anyone with an internet connection rip off.

That's an important point. I suppose my thoughts went beyond the critique forum though. But still, it's a shame that we don't read more people posting material that the author is unaware of it's genius. Like we accidentally get to see something great.

There are some great writers on here, who do shine. I suppose it's very unlikely we'll stumble upon a goldminD. Critiques not really the place to pick on for my point. But the reason behind it was the pool of mediocrity that swims around in it. I think it wouldn't hurt for some people to move up to the next level and start writing some seriously good shit (myself included).

Sorry Leevil. I read the first half but get bored reading long posts and apologies to Jack too.

maybe we're too critical though and just can't enjoy humour the way it's supposed to be.

Quote: Chappers @ August 14 2011, 1:31 PM BST

Sorry Leevil. I read the first half but get bored reading long posts and apologies to Jack too.

maybe we're too critical though and just can't enjoy humour the way it's supposed to be.

Ugh! I forgot I wrote this. >_<

I agree with being unnecessarily too critical. But that wasn't the point I was trying to make in the original post.

Critique is for playing around with ideas and getting a variety of input. If you had something amazing that you considered the finished piece then you'd probably already be in the process of sending it out and wouldn't want anyone to point out potential changes as you'd drive yourself mad!
Maybe it takes longer pieces to develop an understanding of characters, style, and rhythm that would engage you beyond the usual, and most people I imagine don't have the time to do helpful critical justice to an entire episode or ongoing development.
People have kindly pm'd me with their stuff and read my longer pieces, so there is more of a relaxed and engaged critical interaction; if you have longer pieces or you want ongoing feedback this might be the way to go.
I wouldn't worry about people nicking stuff; if they copy it they'd have to prove that they had a record of writing it before you posted it, and if they just use a template of an idea or like a joke but style it to their personal outlook, then I'd just consider that becoming part of the Jungian un/consciousness!

Quote: Leevil @ August 14 2011, 3:06 AM BST

Do any of you believe that you are writing ground breaking material on here?

But even if we were, who'd accept it? Unless you perform it yourself you need to follow the style of a particular sketch show (e.g. Newsjack or NewsRevue). Of course it has always been like this (except when satire was 'born' of course), and its not really any show's fault, merely that its hard to get really ground breaking scripts. Besides even top rated comedy writers follow a formula. There may be people writing on these programmes who think they are writing ground breaking material, but...

Quote: Tim Azure @ August 14 2011, 4:47 PM BST

But even if we were, who'd accept it?

Ah, I don't see writing as a submitting process. Maybe this is where we separate my unrealistic ideology with the real world. There's nothing wrong with how everyone's writing now. It can be a hell of a lot of fun, rewarding and get you many places. That is what writing is and should and will and has always been. It's just there's a niggle in the back of my head that worries about the things I've mentioned above. But we also have to remember I poured that post out when I was drunk. On reflection, I feel I was too harsh on the writing community, plus, I'm a total hypocrite. I don't even write much anymore, haven't done for ages. So who am I to talk like this? The simple rule is, to be a writer, you have to write.

I think my frustration came from my own lack of enthusiasm for writing.

Quote: Tim Azure @ August 14 2011, 4:47 PM BST

But even if we were, who'd accept it?

Exactly. If you want to make any money (i.e. loose change) then the pinnacle is probably getting an 'Eric Pickles is fat' joke on the Now Show.

We live in a society that is 'conservative' with a small 'c', big 'C' and in Arial 12.....there just isn't any financial reward in trying to be different.

Of course, anyone can stick stuff up on YouTube and hope to develop a following. It will be a following who believes that anything on the internet should be free, one has to say.

So....basically we need a few comedy genuises who also have a private income to start posting on here.

I like sketches, they are the perfect thing inbetween a joke & a sitcom.

It's probably because I've always loved Sketch shows, Monty Python, Not the Nine O'Cock News, The Two Ronnies, Harry Enfield, The Fast Show, Absolutely, Big Train, The League of Gentlemen, Mitchell & Webb, Armstrong & Miller, Pete n Dud, Morecambe & Wise, Smith & Jones and a good few others.

I don't personally go along with the keeping your best stuff secret type of thing.
If someone nicked my idea, or did the same idea better, I'd probably learn a thing or two, or just have them arrested.
All of the half decent sketches that I've ever written have been put on Critique here, with maybe a rewrite after feedback if I was going to send it anywhere.

Sketch Writing is still my favourite type of Comedy Writing.
But I do want to try writing a Sitcom at least once.

I'll probably try to keep that one secret, but not because I'm scared of anyone nicking my ideas,

So Leevil out of all the 1000s of sketches and years of writing in critique you think only a few sketches by one writer are at all worthy of note?

Thanks alot.

It depends on what you mean by "worthy of note". There are lots of excellent sketches posted on here. Lots better than what's shown on TV. Some brilliant stuff in fact. And like Steve mentions above, quite a few people I bet aren't too fussed about releasing their best work for free.

I've been told directly that I shouldn't post if I don't think it's my best work. It's a good point, because as most people use their real name or it's easily discovered through Facebook or whatever. As it kind of represents you as your product, especially if you're posting, or not posting your best stuff. I'm not saying people shouldn't use 'crit as as a workshop. They definitely should. And I'm not saying people should only post their best stuff.

Damn, I forgot my point. Must. Stop. Rambling.

Right, let's change the direction of this discussion. I'm almost tempted to start a new thread, start afresh. I entitled this thread "Sketch Writing" as I intended it to be a discussion about the art of sketch writing, I just went of on a tangent small section of it and got distracted with that.

I wanna know what sketch writing means to you. I suppose Steve has kicked off this discussion perfectly. Also, what makes a good sketch? I'm hoping not to mess about with the easy stuff here. I want to dissect it plus think about how it's evolving.

Again. Rambling. I apologise.

Leevil what the hell are you talking about?

Pull your head out of your maudlin self pitying arse.

Find some one looking for sketches, you know atleast 2 of them.

And set yourself a go and then just keep trying.

And if that fails, try another challenge.

And maybe you'll make it? And if you don't enjoy the journey.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."

Roosevelt better than I ever could

Quote: Leevil @ August 14 2011, 3:06 AM BST

...it's not about creating a catchphrase or the next Dead Parrot sketch.

Some sketch writers do seem to purposely write catchphrases or 'catchphrase formula' ("This week I will be mostly eating old trainers...") but there are many that don't. I don't think people aim to be the Dead Parrot sketch because it seems such a high level of comic writing. Sketch writing is just want it says-sketches, thumbnails if you like, we're not all that sure that the characters have lives outside the place and time we see. If you too ambitious, it doesn't work as a sketch.

Quote: Leevil @ August 14 2011, 3:06 AM BST

When was the last time you read a sketch and got genuinely excited?

I did the out loud thing at the woman arguing with her mother and putting sunglasses on the dog and etc vids the other day.

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