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But what is to be done lofthouse? What is to be done?
If Scotland gets independence then they won't want to be in our league surely?

Quote: catskillz @ July 23 2011, 10:47 PM BST

Would anyone on here like to see Celtic and Rangers in the Premiership?

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Make them join the 4th division and if they're good enough they'd be there in three years.

There are clubs in the 4th division that were formed over a hundred years ago

they could potentially lose their football league status and even go out of business as a result

and why? To accomodate two clubs from a different country?

No thanks

It would be interesting to see Celtic/Rangers in the English league system. But, they should definitely start low down- and I mean as low as necessary. No current English league team(s) should be ousted to make way for them. They must earn their place.

Wimbledon had to start again- nobody did them any favours. They had to start in a regional league and Celic/Rangers should have to as well.

Swansea are in the PL on merit, not because they are one of the top 2 teams in Wales.

I don't think they'll agree to that tho. If they do then their revenue from TV rights will drop by many millions, their best players will leave, meaning they won't have great teams any more, meaning they'll be no better really than the fodder they are playing.

That's not going to happen, or should it. They are both huge clubs, and the TV companies would love it, as would Premier League Ltd. The very lowest they should come in at is the Championship. I think what's continually blocking the move is the Premier League can't agree on it, there are too many clubs who feel they'd lose out. The problem of their fans' reputation is also a huge barrier now. It looks less likely every year.

When I used to gamble, Celtic and Rangers could almost always be relied upon to make me some money. The problem was, they were such big certainties to win their games, home and away, that their odds would be shit, so you'd have to bet big to make a decent amount back. Actually, I used to always do handicap bets, where they would have to win by 2 goals or more in order for me to collect.

There was talk of Celtic and Rangers entering at the Championship level and I think that's fair enough if it ever happened. I'm not sure if I would be happy about the idea but still intrigued by it. However, I suspect both Glasgow clubs could end up stuck there for a few years which would negate the point anyway.

Another idea muted - by the Burnley Chairman I think - was for a Premiership 1 and 2 with both with 18 clubs. When you look at the clubs who'd likely to be involved it does sound an attractive idea especially if the Old Firm was involved.

The problem then is that you'd have a very definite divide with the lower league clubs which would be even harder to bridge plus the notion of five professional divisions. Having four is already largely absurd as no-one can make any real money.

For the record here's how the new league structure could look...

PREMIER LEAGUE 1

Manchester United
Chelsea
Manchester City
Arsenal
Tottenham Hotspur
Liverpool
Everton
Fulham
Aston Villa
Sunderland
West Bromwich Albion
Newcastle United
Stoke City
Bolton Wanderers
Blackburn Rovers
Wigan Athletic
Queens Park Rangers
Norwich City

PREMIER LEAGUE 2

Wolverhampton Wanderers
Birmingham City
Blackpool
West Ham United
Swansea City
Cardiff City
Reading
Nottingham Forest
Leeds United
Burnley
Millwall
Leicester City
Hull City
Middlesbrough
Ipswich Town
Watford
Rangers
Celtic

What's interesting then would be the strength of Leagues 3,4 and 5 assuming all had 20 clubs (thus stopping Lincoln and Stockport's relegation from the league).

LEAGUE 3

Bristol City
Portsmouth
Barnsley
Coventry City
Derby County
Crystal Palace
Doncaster Rovers
Preston North End
Sheffield United
Sc**thorpe United
Brighton & Hove Albion
Southampton
Huddersfield Town
Peterborough United
Milton Keynes Dons
Bournemouth
Leyton Orient
Exeter City
Rochdale
Colchester United

LEAGUE 4

Brentford
Carlisle United
Charlton Athletic
Yeovil Town
Sheffield Wednesday
Hartlepool United
Tranmere Rovers
Oldham Athletic
Notts County
Walsall
Dagenham & Redbridge
Bristol Rovers
Plymouth Argyle
Swindon Town
Chesterfield
Bury
Wycombe Wanderers
Shrewsbury Town
Accrington Stanley
Stevenage

LEAGUE 5

Torquay United
Gillingham
Rotherham United
Crewe Alexandra
Port Vale
Oxford United
Southend United
Aldershot Town
Macclesfield Town
Northampton Town
Cheltenham Town
Bradford City
Burton Albion
Morecambe
Hereford United
Barnet
Lincoln City
Stockport County
Crawley Town
AFC Wimbledon

The loss of game revenue will probably make this unviable unless the Prems 1 and 2 were fairer in the distribution of cash.

This will never happen - I certainly can't imagine Sheffield Wednesday and Charlton voting for it - but an interesting idea.

Looks good, Tuumble.

But, is the PL in need of a revamp? Revenue and viewing figures suggest not.

Quote: Tuumble @ July 25 2011, 11:44 AM BST

There was talk of Celtic and Rangers entering at the Championship level and I think that's fair enough if it ever happened. I'm not sure if I would be happy about the idea but still intrigued by it. However, I suspect both Glasgow clubs could end up stuck there for a few years which would negate the point anyway.

Another idea muted - by the Burnley Chairman I think - was for a Premiership 1 and 2 with both with 18 clubs. When you look at the clubs who'd likely to be involved it does sound an attractive idea especially if the Old Firm was involved.

The problem then is that you'd have a very definite divide with the lower league clubs which would be even harder to bridge plus the notion of five professional divisions. Having four is already largely absurd as no-one can make any real money.

For the record here's how the new league structure could look...

PREMIER LEAGUE 1

Manchester United
Chelsea
Manchester City
Arsenal
Tottenham Hotspur
Liverpool
Everton
Fulham
Aston Villa
Sunderland
West Bromwich Albion
Newcastle United
Stoke City
Bolton Wanderers
Blackburn Rovers
Wigan Athletic
Queens Park Rangers
Norwich City

PREMIER LEAGUE 2

Wolverhampton Wanderers
Birmingham City
Blackpool
West Ham United
Swansea City
Cardiff City
Reading
Nottingham Forest
Leeds United
Burnley
Millwall
Leicester City
Hull City
Middlesbrough
Ipswich Town
Watford
Rangers
Celtic

What's interesting then would be the strength of Leagues 3,4 and 5 assuming all had 20 clubs (thus stopping Lincoln and Stockport's relegation from the league).

LEAGUE 3

Bristol City
Portsmouth
Barnsley
Coventry City
Derby County
Crystal Palace
Doncaster Rovers
Preston North End
Sheffield United
Sc**thorpe United
Brighton & Hove Albion
Southampton
Huddersfield Town
Peterborough United
Milton Keynes Dons
Bournemouth
Leyton Orient
Exeter City
Rochdale
Colchester United

LEAGUE 4

Brentford
Carlisle United
Charlton Athletic
Yeovil Town
Sheffield Wednesday
Hartlepool United
Tranmere Rovers
Oldham Athletic
Notts County
Walsall
Dagenham & Redbridge
Bristol Rovers
Plymouth Argyle
Swindon Town
Chesterfield
Bury
Wycombe Wanderers
Shrewsbury Town
Accrington Stanley
Stevenage

LEAGUE 5

Torquay United
Gillingham
Rotherham United
Crewe Alexandra
Port Vale
Oxford United
Southend United
Aldershot Town
Macclesfield Town
Northampton Town
Cheltenham Town
Bradford City
Burton Albion
Morecambe
Hereford United
Barnet
Lincoln City
Stockport County
Crawley Town
AFC Wimbledon

The loss of game revenue will probably make this unviable unless the Prems 1 and 2 were fairer in the distribution of cash.

This will never happen - I certainly can't imagine Sheffield Wednesday and Charlton voting for it - but an interesting idea.

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What's the point? All you're doing in effect is reducing the number of clubs in the first and second divisions. Why tamper with it? It's our system and has worked for years.

All the rest of Scotland would suffer as a result because there wouldn't be anyone strong enough. They rely on the Celtic and Rangers gate money.

Another suggestion a few years ago (I don't know how serious it was) of an Atlantic League with the top Scottish, Portugues,Dutch and Belgian teams. Ridiculous. You need promotion and relegation incentives so how do you decide who gets promoted? If a Dutch team finished bottom it would be their champions going up?

Quote: Chappers @ July 25 2011, 5:00 PM BST

What's the point? All you're doing in effect is reducing the number of clubs in the first and second divisions. Why tamper with it? It's our system and has worked for years.

All the rest of Scotland would suffer as a result because there wouldn't be anyone strong enough. They rely on the Celtic and Rangers gate money.

Another suggestion a few years ago (I don't know how serious it was) of an Atlantic League with the top Scottish, Portugues,Dutch and Belgian teams. Ridiculous. You need promotion and relegation incentives so how do you decide who gets promoted? If a Dutch team finished bottom it would be their champions going up?

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I'm not saying they should do it - it wasn't my idea, I'm just saying that if they did do a PL1 and PL2 it has interesting knock on effect to the lower leagues. It would just mean the PL pot would be split over more teams but I guess PL1 would have an effective drop in income which they'd never vote for.

Scotland losing Rangers and Celtic would be bad for the league in one sense but it would make it more competitive. Those are important games for those clubs but it could be done if the Old Firm played in the Scottish Cup. Would make it a bit messy though.

PREDICTIONS:

-Leicester, Brighton & West Ham to be promoted from the Championship.

-Norwich, QPR & Swansea to go down from the Prem.

-J. Hernandez to be top Prem scorer.

-Birmingham City to finish 19th in the Championship.

-Prem top (in order):

Man Utd
Chelsea
Man City
Liverpool

Can anyone explain to me why the pronunciation of Celtic the football team is different to that of the original word Celtic?

No

'David Goodwillie rape charge dropped.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-14279600

Quote: Corey O'Graffor @ July 25 2011, 8:44 PM BST

'David Goodwillie rape charge dropped.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-14279600

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I was looking forward to the court case when she could have confirmed the appropriateness of his name !