Quite right. And if he did change, it would look like giving in to the bullies in their laddish stand up clique. By staying isolated and ignored etc. by them he makes them look the losers. There is an attitude problem in male stand up comedy, and MM's success has brought it to the surface. It's they who should change, not him.
Quote: Nogget @ July 18 2011, 10:28 AM BSTDo you think that's going to happen though? He 'should' examine what he does that makes some people hate him so much
Good idea. We should also make mugging victims examine what it is about them that got them mugged. How else are victims going to learn what's wrong with them and why they deserve to be victimised? 
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ July 18 2011, 9:58 AM BSTOf course you'd be a bit baity with him, come on now.
No, because I'm not a c**t.
I do understand why they did it, but they need to grow up and stop feeling sorry for themselves. They also need to realise what audiences find funny at one of those awards shows, and what just makes audiences feel uncomfortable and think that the comedians in question have made themselves look like arseholes.
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ July 18 2011, 10:57 AM BSTQuite right. And if he did change, it would look like giving in to the bullies in their laddish stand up clique. By staying isolated and ignored etc. by them he makes them look the losers. There is an attitude problem in male stand up comedy, and MM's success has brought it to the surface. It's they who should change, not him.
Yep!
Quote: Steve Sunshine @ July 17 2011, 11:31 PM BSTI was surprised to hear other comedians do it openly on panel and award shows.
Is a bit of it a class thing? Because he's well spoken or a macho thing because he's a bit effeminate?
Or was it just funny because other people were doing the same?
It's s spiteful, jealousy thing. If you want to be famous, and your material isn't getting you that success, don't blame other comedians.
What exactly was said, I heard Stewart Lee said he "spoon fed the audience warm diahorrea", but what were the other comments, and who made them? Was this before Lee joked about him in his stand up?
If I was a successful stand up I'd half be expecting Lee to have a pop, and I'd try not to take it personally, plus most stand ups could easily turn the tables on their detractors, but I guess McIntyre's not the sort.
I've tried to find out, but could only find Lee's quote and him being mentioned...
Michael gets the poo pummelled outa him because he's mega-old style. Point is, he's still very funny, especially in small doses. It's seedy when comedians (or any performers) rip the pee out of their peers - it reflects poorly on themelves. Ever heard Alexei Sayle on Ben Elton? Grrrrrrrrrrr
Quote: Michael Monkhouse @ July 19 2011, 9:56 AM BSTEver heard Alexei Sayle on Ben Elton?
Yes, Sayle thinks that Elton is a hypocrite for making his name as a right-on comic and then gettiing into bed with the very people he used to mock. You disagree?
Quote: Nogget @ July 19 2011, 10:06 AM BSTYes, Sayle thinks that Elton is a hypocrite for making his name as a right-on comic and then gettiing into bed with the very people he used to mock. You disagree?
Couldn't agree more. I was actually talking about the early days of 'alternative' comedy: Sayle feels Elton stole his thunder and it should've been Lex himself doing Saturday Night Live. I always preferred Sayle, but that's another story...
MM is on the front of the Mail today, with full page writeup inside, about this very thing, not read it yet though. I think he's very funny, sharp, witty and nice into the bargain. Some people can be right shits.
I don't disagree but aren't they pretty much all guilty of this, that lefty lot? Sayle himself lives in Bloomsbury now, not really a place you'd expect Marxist comedians from Liverpool to be residing. Sayle also did a fair few adverts, Ben Elton famously said he'd never sell out and do ads and I think he's kept to this! He just does lucrative musicals with Lloyd Webber. Those two will never get on, but neither has any moral upper ground, they are both ambitious people who love money and couldn't do a proper job if they wanted to.
I don't enjoy McIntyre's act, in fact I turn over if I see his face on my telly, but the constant slamming he gets from other comedians (not just of his comedy but of his status a human being) is pretty rough. I'm not saying it's like going to war or anything but stand up is a tough enough game without your peers ripping the shit out of you on stage. I've always found comedy about comedy terribly self-centred and indulgent in the first place, but jokes about McIntyre are so commonplace now they've become the equivalent of "what's all this Facebook poking about?" jokes - lazy, tired and stale - the exact things McIntyre's detractors accuse him of.
It was terribly sad when he said his wife was at the British Comedy Awards to see him win, and had a new dress, and had to sit there with everyone slagging him off- hope those comedians are very ashamed of themselves
Quote: Nogget @ July 18 2011, 10:28 AM BSTHe 'should' examine what he does that makes some people hate him so much if he is bothered by their reaction, otherwise they will keep hating him and he'll be unhappy.
Never heard anything more ludicrous.
Quote: Shandonbelle @ July 19 2011, 10:50 AM BSTNever heard anything more ludicrous.
I like Michael McIntyre and I find him funny but if you are at the top you are likely to be shot at, whether it's people trying to get cheap laughs (how many fat jokes reference John Prescott? Jokes about women with loose morals reference Katie Price etc, Michael McIntyre has become a shorthand for TV ubiquity and, rightly or wrongly, blandness) or out and out jealousy or bitterness.
Also I find it slightly odd that a comedian, who relies on taking the piss, however gently, out of regular people (he made some slightly scathing remarks aimed toward The Apprentice candidates on the "You've Been Hired" programme for instance) can't seem to take it when it's aimed in his direction.
Having said that, it's funny how in a long interview a comic can make one remark about MM but then that's taken as the main thrust of the article.
Similarly, there was lots of really interesting stuff in MM's "Desert Island Discs" interview but the one thing that's been picked up is that he was upset by a few comments make at the British Comedy Awards.
In short, MM needs to concentrate on pleasing the people who buy his DVDs, tickets, etc and just ignore the snipers.