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Teddy (this is genuinely not meant to be patronising),

Do you remember when you were a kid and you would play down the Red Rec, with your old mates, and it was fun.

Then a new kid came along, he seemed ok and seemed to like doing the things you all did.

Then the new kid started to become a bit 'off'. Overreacting to things, getting a bit aggressive, spoiling the atmosphere etc.

I don't know what you did in your gang but in ours that new kid, if he carried on, would eventually be ignored until he disappeared. Sometimes the new kid would settle down, finding the tempo of the group, and become just one of the gang.

I still consider myself to be pretty new around here. There are some very talented knowledgeable people on her who are prepared to read others work and give honest feedback. Take the feedback, and either take it on board or chose to ignore it. Falling out with people is a sure fire way of being ignored. If you are serious about writing for a living you don't want to be falling out with anyone (unless it is completely necessary). In all walks of life people know people, who know people, who know people.

I would still like to see you down the Red Rec

Quote: JohnnyD @ July 14 2011, 5:35 PM BST

Isn't it the Red Rec

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Quote: JohnnyD @ July 14 2011, 5:35 PM BST

Isn't it the Red Rec

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It's seen better days.

Teddy, I think with a re-write, the story has legs.
I liked the thought that he had to find out who was in which queue by hearing their names.
However most of the 'name' gags are old and have been used many times before.

Royd Emma is straight from 'The Royle Family' and Mary Christmas was first used 80 years ago in a Laurel & Hardy Film.

If you recieve bad reviews from other posters here take it on the chin. I know it stings but the thump of rejected manuscripts landing on your doormat stings more.

Quote: Teddy Paddalack @ July 14 2011, 8:17 AM BST

F**k off LL.

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Bloody hell kids, reign it in.

I do take my stick in the main, then sometimes I think some are just putting some stuff down out of envy or pettiness etc .
I bet everyone on this site has had that feeling at one time or another I am also able to see the harsh reality when it gets put to me as well so I am quite balanced I suppose.

The difference with me is I'm blatant not subtle, that's why I'm sticking out like a sore thumb.

I've seen polite slights on here that belong in Dynasty or an Embassy Ball, nasty little barbed ones from petty minds you can can almost hear the squeal and the purr as they scratch out the post.

My problem is I don't spit like a cat I bite like a dog, it's a feral thing I suppose and that's why I'm in the doghouse.

You could also(And may be wise to) treat me as a raving lunatic, you will be in the majority.
But if you look at some of the replies especially those that semi praise, talk about put downs.

*rein

Quote: Teddy Paddalack @ July 14 2011, 9:07 PM BST

I do take my stick in the main, then sometimes I think some are just putting some stuff down out of envy or pettiness etc .
I bet everyone on this site has had that feeling at one time or another I am also able to see the harsh reality when it gets put to me as well so I am quite balanced I suppose.

The difference with me is I'm blatant not subtle, that's why I'm sticking out like a sore thumb.

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I've never had that feeling.

You stick out like a sore thumb because no one else Is behaving like you.

Quote: Teddy Paddalack @ July 14 2011, 9:07 PM BST

I do take my stick in the main, then sometimes I think some are just putting some stuff down out of envy or pettiness etc .

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No, in my experience even the more abrasive posters will give credit where they believe it to be due.

I disagree and rather than come across as bitter I will give you an example based on my own experience whilst reasserting that it happens to many.

I recently did a few serial sketches on a magician entitled 'Trick of the eye' I got little response but was satisfied with the posts, I then added a massive faux pas, this got responses, the responses where spot on by the way, but they also helped to show me what I was posting was being viewed.

In the absence of a 'Views' counter no one has any idea of who is looking at what?

I then post the Harry Hill sketch which in hindsight was piss poor, however suddenly I am getting taken to pieces by posters who I had no idea where looking at my posts and who have never offered a word of encouragement when I have posted what I consider to be good stuff.

I have certain posters I will look at straight away JD Sunshine Sooty Red Goodlad etc etc I do so based on the fact I can relate to their humour, others I look at based on the fact that they are there.

My point is, I obviously get views and I get some responses, but if I make a gaff I find that I get more responses from mystery viewers, people waiting in the wings who only make themselves known if I make a rick.

I may be coarse and outspoken but I'm not stupid, take your weather post, it was good and I got involved along with others, then all of a sudden this Ben steps in and has one aim, that was to piss all over your chips.

His stance was to suggest you were plagerising the Two Ronnies, because he bought a book on them (Most from a certain age group actually watched them).

I have no idea how old you are Timbo, but I had never seen the piece nor do I suspect that you had, it was just a fun game, till one person steps in and politely accuses you of stealing an existing sketch that was probably made in the 60's.

What was his aim? you are not a prolific initial poster, you were not trying to steal anyone's thunder,all you did was put up something that was being responded to in a positive manner, yet this poster set out to rock your boat, why did he do it?
Because he represents a section on this and other sites, who view the good and respond to the bad!

Don't be fooled if there was a view counter on this site my point would be proven in minutes, many look and may find what is posted does not merit a reply, that's fine by me and I have done it myself.

But others ignore your good stuff and wait until you err and on the odd occasion they see a post that is so happy they have to interject and vent their spleen because the fear the opportunity to hurt may be lost.

I have a poster who has two names but one aim, does this person seriously think I would fall for that one, good cop bad cop, its pathetic but its rife.
So if you see a nasty response from me (They're all over the boards) have a look at what precedes it and you will see my point.

You seem more than a little paranoid. Just listen to the good advice, ignore what/who you don't like, and don't call people c**ts; simple.

People tend not to comment unless they have something positive to say, or something helpful. Helpful can often be negative. So long as the negative is specific (rather than "that's shit") that is fine.

Someone who is established on the site is more likely to receive comments from the old lags, because they are more likely to put the effort into reading a sketch properly if it comes from someone who has built up a bit of respect; whereas as with a relative newbie they may just glance at it, and then ignore it if it does not grab them. Sometimes though you can tell just at a glance that something is wrong, taking the trouble to explain why takes more time, and you should be grateful when someone makes the effort.

I have known Ben longer than most on this site (though I have yet to meet him in the flesh, parts of which I am told are ample). In the past I have been a prolific poster in Critique, and Ben has commented both negatively and positively. On the thread you refer to Ben did the correct thing; rather than just saying "I think I saw something a bit like that once", which is never helpful, he looked up chapter and verse, and left me to make up my own mind how similar it was.

One last thing, before I butt out; there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with advice. We are all learning on here (as every writer should be, always) and sometimes useful debates can flow from taking issue with accepted wisdom (though it is always best to understand the reason for the rules before you break them). But play the ball, not the man.

Accusing people of being paranoid is a cop out, mostly used by people who have little grasp of the actual condition.
Your a clever sod (Or so you think), dissect my piece, disprove by pointed fact, provide empirical data. I have made a statement with points of reference so it should be a doddle for you

As for calling people c**ts, its an accepted colloquialism round are way and is usually used to denote empathy believe it or not

(Sic)'Look at that poor c**t' or perhaps 'That poor c**ts had enough'

Try to understand why people say things?, look at context or regional variations of accepted responses to slights.

Also if you're going to tell me off put some effort into you silly c**t. (yet another example)

Remarkable.

Mea Culpa Mea Culpa

Timbo I accept how you saw it, you must respect that I saw it differently.
I always play the ball,I only play the man when I think that they tried to play me.

But rather than be involved in arguing with half of the internet I have decided to take heed of everything I have been told and will from now on keep my counsel and bite my tongue.

I will refrain from calling people c**ts and will no longer advocate smashing chairs over peoples backs, I will be polite I will ignore slights and I will accept criticism.

The new me will also refrain from calling people chisel chested and in one last effort toward peace I will embrace the abrasive Lady Laughter.

Lets see how I do, I will do my best I can assure you,lets hope its good enough for my oh so many detractors.