Yeah, but you're problem seems to be that people have the temerity to enjoy The Hurt Locker or think it's a good film. How dare they!
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Quote: chipolata @ June 6 2011, 5:58 PM BSTYeah, but you're problem seems to be that people have the temerity to enjoy The Hurt Locker or think it's a good film. How dare they!
I thought it was utter crap but if other enjoy it and think it's a good film fair enough, what bugs me is that it won lots of awards for being a "realistic" portrayal of soldiers in Iraq, which is absolute baloney.
Having thankfully never experianced warfare, I don't know what is realistic and what isn't.
Certainly the opening 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan is what I would imagine war to be like.
However, what I have read large periods of warefare seem to be dominated by extreme boredom.Followed by shitting yourself thinking you are going to die.
Starship Troopers is my favourite war film.
Quote: Tony Cowards @ June 6 2011, 5:29 PM BSTIt seems that ignorance is bliss then, certainly for film makers.
No.
Bliss for film makers is winning Oscars and having loads of people love your film.
Quote: Tony Cowards @ June 6 2011, 6:00 PM BSTI thought it was utter crap but if other enjoy it and think it's a good film fair enough, what bugs me is that it won lots of awards for being a "realistic" portrayal of soldiers in Iraq, which is absolute baloney.
In your view.
The Expendables - I think this might be too bad to be good, because I spent the whole film thinking one single phrase "You have got to be shitting me."
...on the other hand, there were a lot of explosions and Dolph Lungren was quite good in it which was a surprise. I suppose if I pretended it was a parody of a film that was co-written, directed by and starred Stallone then maybe it was actually just the right amount of bad to be good?
Quote: chipolata @ June 6 2011, 6:10 PM BSTStarship Troopers is my favourite war film.
Starship Troopers is great.
Quote: Lazzard @ June 6 2011, 3:39 PM BSTAgreed. If you didn't 'buy' the story then, for you, as a film it failed.
But you'd have to acknowledge that it's probably down to the fact that you have specialized , specific knowledge of the subject matter that it failed to convince.
That's a problem I have with many historical dramas (although I don't think my knowledge is particularly specialized), like Crowe's Robin Hood in fact; they had the French speaking French, but had Eleanor of Aquitaine speaking haughty English, even though she was actually French, and would have been in a French-speaking court.
I'd prefer a film with all the actors speaking in their own accents (up to a point). I don't care if the characters would have been speaking Italian, or if they all would have had Scottish accents.
Actors try earnestly so hard to achieve accents that they often seem to forget to concentrate on acting and emotion, and the resulting accents are painfully awful anyway 99% of the time.
So overall, I'd rather have believable acting and story than accurate accents.
Quote: Tony Cowards @ June 6 2011, 6:00 PM BSTI thought it was utter crap but if other enjoy it and think it's a good film fair enough, what bugs me is that it won lots of awards for being a "realistic" portrayal of soldiers in Iraq, which is absolute baloney.
BAFTA OSCAR GOLDEN GLOBE - Drama awards. Be bugged for the right reasons.
Quote: Marc P @ June 6 2011, 11:08 PM BSTBAFTA OSCAR GOLDEN GLOBE - Drama awards. Be bugged for the right reasons.
Why should I worry about accuracy when the film makers clearly didn't? And anyway if they are "Drama" awards how come documentaries and non-drama films can win them as well?
To change tack, "2012" another film which is so bad it's bad, absolute rubbish.
*Cue everyone going "Yeah but it was a rip-roaring action movie, don't worry about the million or so factual inaccuracies and completely unbelievable plot just go "oooh" and "aaah" at the explosions, turn your brain off, etc, etc...*
You'll get no arguments on 2012. The consensus of opinion is that it's boring overblown tripe (unlike The Hurt Locker, which most people agree is a great movie 
)..
Quote: Tony Cowards @ June 7 2011, 7:52 AM BSTWhy should I worry about accuracy when the film makers clearly didn't? And anyway if they are "Drama" awards how come documentaries and non-drama films can win them as well?
To change tack, "2012" another film which is so bad it's bad, absolute rubbish.
*Cue everyone going "Yeah but it was a rip-roaring action movie, don't worry about the million or so factual inaccuracies and completely unbelievable plot just go "oooh" and "aaah" at the explosions, turn your brain off, etc, etc...*
I said it won awards for Drama (Top awards world wide) not accuracy. As far as I know there isn't an accuracy category. Mt favourite film is the Errol Flynn version of Robin Hood. I'm not sure accuracy plays a large part in it. 
Quote: Marc P @ June 7 2011, 8:19 AM BSTI said it won awards for Drama (Top awards world wide) not accuracy. As far as I know there isn't an accuracy category. Mt favourite film is the Errol Flynn version of Robin Hood. I'm not sure accuracy plays a large part in it.
But the difference is that I don't think anyone lauded Errol Flynn's Robin Hood for it's realism, yes I realize that there isn't an "accuracy" Oscar, same as there isn't a "drama" Oscar (they're actually awarded for "Excellence in cinematic achievements", yes I am pedantic enough to have looked that up!).
Even if "The Hurt Locker" won it's Oscars for it's "drama" I still think it's a cliché ridden piece of cobblers, anyone on this forum could've written the screenplay using the Bumper Book of War and Buddy Film Clichés.
It's basically "Lethal Weapon" set in Baghdad, "Three Kings" is infinitely better and didn't pretend to say something about the psyche of soldiers or something insightful about war.
Right, that's my final word on it anyway, before someone invokes Godwin's Law.
Just remember though folks, the next time you're slating a comedy show for not being "realistic" I'll be there waiting at my keyboard...