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Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 17 2011, 9:38 AM BST

It isn't nonsense! There's a reason why in five series they never started with a two parter. I would imagine that the only reason they allowed it this time was because it was packaged as a two hour special (with ads) for the American market.

I thought that, but when you watch part two straight after part one there's a jarring and clumsy leap forward. They never bother tying up the loose ends of the first part and just lurch forwards in time. As a 90 minute special it wouldn't work very well at all.

In fact, Doctor Who two-parters are notoriously naff. Last year's Silurian crap. And the series finale, which had a pretty decent first episode then in part two blew it all in an airy-fairy load of old bollocks.

Alas, we've now got two two-parters in a row. This one, then the first of the Cyberman stories that ends on the mid-series cliffhanger.

Anyway, how is everyone enjoying this new series of Doctor Who?

Famously with Startrek from Voyager onwards script writers would leave big gaps in the dialogue. With perhaps a line saying what should happen.

Then the science writers would come in and write the gobledeegook explanations.

So "the toilet is blocked" becomes

There is a temporal infarction in personal waste disposal section Zarg Beta 3c. There is a collection of dark matter and nuetrino emissions causing a state of none flow of matter.

And it f**king stinks.

Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 17 2011, 9:38 AM BST

It isn't nonsense! There's a reason why in five series they never started with a two parter.

Because RTD thought people needed eased into each new year, Moffat disagrees. I'm sure most can handle a two part story opening a series.

Quote: chipolata @ May 17 2011, 9:44 AM BST

In fact, Doctor Who two-parters are notoriously naff.

There's been amix of the good (Empty Child, Angels two parter, Silence In The Library) and the poor (Silurians, Daleks In Manhattan). Usually there seems to be one really good two parter, one okay one that perhaps doesn't fulfill it's promise in part two, and one clear stinker each year.

Quote: Marc P @ May 17 2011, 9:45 AM BST

Anyway, how is everyone enjoying this new series of Doctor Who?

Well, generally speaking, it's been getting positive reviews, decent ratings and very high AI scores. ;)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2011/may/16/neil-gaiman-doctor-who-doctors-wife?CMP=twt_gu

Quote: Matthew Stott @ May 17 2011, 9:47 AM BST

Because RTD thought people needed eased into each new year, Moffat disagrees. I'm sure most can handle a two part story opening a series.

F**king hell - you start a series with a one parter because it provides an instant pay-off for the casual viewer. It's nothing to do with RTD or Moffat it's how TV is made and I shouldn't have to tell you this.

Quote: chipolata @ May 17 2011, 9:44 AM BST

As a 90 minute special it wouldn't work very well at all.

Yeah, it was broadcast the same as over here, two separate episodes over two weeks.

Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 17 2011, 9:55 AM BST

F**king hell - you start a series with a one parter because it provides an instant pay-off for the casual viewer. It's nothing to do with RTD or Moffat it's how TV is made and I shouldn't have to tell you this.

And, you could argue, by having a two parter, you hope to hook a causual viewer into tuning in again the next week to see what happens. They're surely more likely to do that if you end on a cliffhanger than a neat resolution;I shouldn't have to tell you that! :P

Quote: sootyj @ May 17 2011, 8:49 AM BST

Ok lets start off at the beginning. Why does everyone keep referencing The Brain of Morbius as a classic? It's a pedestrian rip off of Frankenstein on the planet of Pan's People. And just stating that some one is the most scary timelord of all time really doesn't do much.

Especially when they turn up in a mouldy old bear suit with a fish bowl on top and get shoved off a cliff by said dad pleasing dance troupe. Tension is none existent and Dr Who suffers from the classic problem of saying
"I am the most evil thing in the universe" and utterly failing to show it.

Now I appreciate Gaiman is a rather more sophisticated writer then Whovians are used to. So I'm going to offer a little primer.

Gaiman's genius involves taking large complex ideas and concepts and reducing them to human concepts/relationships. So the whole of the Sandman isn't about eternal forces that shape our universe. It's about a man who is humiliated and humbled, realises how he has hurt those he should have loved and spends the rest of his life seeking forgiveness.

The Ds Wife is actually about loneliness and it's genius. The Dr travels to find a fellow surviving Timelord and finds only a graveyard and a cruel joke. He then find he's had a true friend all along, one that he can't speak to and can only be with.

It emphasises his intense loneliness that Rory and Amelia are like interns not friends or lovers.

It gets in 50 minutes what the rest of Who has been hinting at for maybe the last 40 years but failed to express.

And the one time Idris kisses him he recoils in shock.

Morbius has all sorts of problems. Why does Solon want the doctor's head for example - why doesn't he use the whole body instead? He could also then give Condo back his arm. It does have brilliant sound design, and the brain in the tank really disturbed people in 1976 in a way that's difficult to understand now.

The Doctor's Wife is not without it's positive points. The acting is very good - especially Surane Jone's 'victorian party girl'. Shades of Leela in her unworldliness. The effects sequence with the makeshift Tardis chasing after the real one was quite brilliant and made up for some poor SFX sequences in the series so far - especially the exceptionally poor Silence design.

You have a real hard on for this Gaiman bloke. I don't share it but I haven't read any of his books. I would probably avoid a comic called Sandman for obvious reasons.

Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 17 2011, 9:55 AM BST

F**king hell - you start a series with a one parter because it provides an instant pay-off for the casual viewer. It's nothing to do with RTD or Moffat it's how TV is made and I shouldn't have to tell you this.

What? Out of 32 series of Doctor Who, 27 of them have started with a multi-episode story.

We could also mention the two mid-season regenerations which also launched a new Doctor with a multi-part story.

it must be reassuring to Dr Who designers to know that there are creatures in space that really do resemble a hosepipe fitting stitched into a crumpled beanbag.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/12855775

Quote: Afinkawan @ May 17 2011, 11:00 AM BST

What? Out of 32 series of Doctor Who, 27 of them have started with a multi-episode story.

We could also mention the two mid-season regenerations which also launched a new Doctor with a multi-part story.

Don't be a prick, you know we're talking about the new show.

I think you need to explain why what worked for the old show does not work for the new show. There are arguments that can be made to that effect, though how valid they are is moot. There is a difference between the received wisdom of telly execs and the actual perceptions of viewers, as the BBC frequently demonstrates.

I also think you need to stop calling people names.

Are you talking to me Timbo? It's self evident why the old 24 minute episode format doesn't work anymore. I don't need to explain it to anyone. There are lots of posts on here from people complaining about how slow the classic shows are.

If you don't like what I write, report it to a mod, yer f**king killjoy.

Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 17 2011, 11:16 AM BST

Don't be a prick, you know we're talking about the new show.

How exactly was I being 'a prick'?

You weren't only talking about the new show at all, you were talking about how TV should be made generally otherwise you wouldn't have said something like this:

Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 17 2011, 9:55 AM BST

F**king hell - you start a series with a one parter because it provides an instant pay-off for the casual viewer. It's nothing to do with RTD or Moffat it's how TV is made and I shouldn't have to tell you this.

Presumably a prick is anyone less angry and unreasonable than you. Perhaps you should try calming the f**k down for a bit.

Quote: Godot Taxis @ May 17 2011, 11:55 AM BST

Are you talking to me Timbo?

*imagines Godot imagining himself as Joe Pesci*

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