I see uber-hypocrite Andrew Marr hasn't resigned Page 3

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ May 8 2011, 2:44 PM BST

Griff, if you have an affair and you're both married, people's lives get ruined, please stop trying to trivialise it just because it's commonplace now. Real people get hurt, it's not like having an extra slice of cream cake, it's serious stuff.

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Thats true. And what better way to offer comfort to the philanderers wife or husband and family, but to put it in the national papers with photos and some hilarious headline banners maybe. That will help the hurt.

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ May 8 2011, 2:32 PM BST

You know there's far more to it than that though, like underlying principles, which are being utterly trashed if you constantly have affairs when married and are in the public eye. It sends out the wrong message, according to the State. It's a fact.

Of course the sleazey press jump on it to sell their papers, but the damage has been done by the wrong doer. They must take responsibility for their actions.

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"Nail 'em up, I say! Nail some fidelity into 'em!"

Marc, it's a consequence of their actions, and it does act as a deterrent.

The alternative, as many here seem to want, is to give them cart blanche to have as many affairs as they want and not be written about. That would encourage many many others to dabble too and and it would probably the destroy marriage as a credible institution within months.

That is just nonsense now.

I like the expression dabble though.

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ May 8 2011, 2:58 PM BST

That would encourage many many others to dabble too and and it would probably the destroy marriage as a credible institution within months.

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Is that really how society works? 'Oh dear. I really love, adore and respect my wife... then again, even BBC journalist Andrew Marr seems to be at it thesedays... suppose I'd better just place an ad on F**kbuddy.com...'

The site you mentioned Tim actually exsists. I just had a look out of curiosity.

And............ there were lots of chinese girls that live within a mile of me ready to oblige

Well my main point was really about press freedom being denied and hypocrisy from those who are in both camps, but as you lot like a row, a point can get stretched at times. Marr is a pretty red faced journo at the mo, that much is certain.

I think your point was that as the state doesn't punish these immoral people it is the duty of the newspapers so to do. Which is frightening both ways round. Press Freedom isn't being denied apart from people's dabbling details as far as I can tell.

There's a line in Nick Hornby's novel High Fidelty, where the (1st person) lead character invites the reader to (I'm paraphrasing) "List the 5 worst things you've ever done. Don't attempt to justify them, just list the facts, right? OK, now who's the arsehole?"

The truth is that everyone has their horrible little dark secrets which we'd be horrified to be found out about. The point is not whether Andrew Marr is a hypocrite, it's that pretty much all of us are.

Go round telling the truth to everyone - and see how long before you get a punch in the nose is Tim's point. WIthout some degree of hypocrisy society would implode.

That was the point when the argument had been stretched Marc, you'd make a good journo with your selective examples.

And anyway, the papers are part of the State! This is why I went down this backstreet in the debate, maybe unwisely, but not blindly. Yes, the State has given its press freedom to report and make statements, by statute. That means the press are indeed doing some kind of judgemental social service when it slaps these stories luridly on its front pages, whether you like it or not!

The papers are part of the state?? I don't remember voting for Gary Bushel although he did like a line of mine once. Quote of the week it was.

About the poofs, was it? Or the queers? Or those poofy queers?

Nah it was a line from Emmerdale. One woman bitching about her from the Luton airport ads. 'Mutton dressed as cow.' Or somesuch.

Of course they are, as you and me are part of it. Every body and institution within it has a role to play to keep it fit and healthy. The papers are only doing what we have asked them to do.