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Cheap Laughs & Effing & Blinding

First things first. I swear in real life, quite a lot actually, and in the right context in comedy a well-chosen and apposite expletive can be great. Similarly, sexual content in its correct place can be entirely appropriate and funny when used correctly.

But...

I'm not on about either of those. I'm on about gratuitous usage of both purely either for shock value or when writers or performers can't think of anything clever enough, so they go for a cheap and quite often mindless laugh. Audiences will frequently piss themselves at the edginess of this kind of humour, whereas I'll sit in a corner and scowl at how cheap and pathetic it all is.

Similarly I like a stand-up with a bit of cleverness and wit in their act; not just a load of cheap, foul-mouthed and dirty blue jokes. Billy Connolly, a comedian that I love, and at his best no stranger to the odd eff and blind every now and then, for me totally lost it when he just seemed to pepper his act with them (purely as far as I could see for shock value) Thankfully he seemed to wise-up after the novelty wore off and had the good sense to drop a lot of the more gratuitous stuff.

Anyway, back on the wider topic, It's not the swearing or sexual content that offends me - it's the sloppiness of the writing I have an issue with. To clarify, I'm not referring to the seaside postcard innocent double entendre and smutty innuendo much-loved by Carry On etc. it's more the downright vulgar in yer face modern versions.

Think you might need to think about putting this in the pet hates thread.
I'll freely admit to being prudish. I do swear on the qt but not as part of everyday speech and frankly I feel moved to rip out the throats of those oiks who believe it is acceptable to eff and blind within hearing of my offspring. However, the whole issue is context. Where do you as a writer decide that one character has a mouth like a sewer and one doesn't? Where do you stop in the chase for realism?
I think that reliance on swearing indicates a limitation in vocabulary or that the individual is inarticulate. Witness the number of people, say Gordon Ramsay who swear ad infinitum, and compare with the average footballer who's every other word is obviously or yer know. It's as bad. Certainly the common usage of swear words which are actually verbs as adjectives is a grammatical crime and does not endear one to the perpetrator.
But to what end? Is there any shock value left? Or is it laziness? a lack of material? Or chronic lack of confidence that you want to bond with the audience and this is the only way of which you can think?
Can't really answer your question Blenks but can try to move the debate on.

I agree about finding Billy Connolly's swearing unpleasant.
I know it's massively ageist of me, but watching an older man cursing his face off makes me really uncomfortable.

Good swearing can be a form of comedy in it's own right.

Quote: KLRiley @ March 29 2011, 2:00 PM BST

and frankly I feel moved to rip out the throats of those oiks who believe it is acceptable to eff and blind within hearing of my offspring.

I hate that too (not that I have offspring myself). But people who swear loudly and profusely in front of little kids piss me off.

My old boss used to describe swearing as 'a crutch for the conversational cripple'. I used to describe him as 'a c**t'.

The defence for swearing seems to be it is realistic because people do it in real life. I know I do, but then I am embarrassed if I swear in the wrong company; I do not want to cause offence, and it is unnecessary - I am capable of saying all I want say without swearing.

On TV you are always in the wrong company, or at least you do not know what comapy you are in, so best not to do it. The role of art is not to record life, but to distill it; it is okay to leave out that which does not add value. It is a poor writer who cannot portray menace, ignorance or any other trait, without resorting to swearing, and this is especially true in comedy, where it is particualrly to be avoided. Once the taboo on swearing has been lifted there is no comedy mileage in breaking it. Comedians should cherish prudishness.

Quote: Gerry McDonnell @ March 29 2011, 2:08 PM BST

My old boss used to describe swearing as 'a crutch for the conversational cripple'. I used to describe him as 'a c**t'.

See there you are. That made me laugh Gerry, in fact it made me snort my tea. Perfect use of an expletive in the right context. Yours?

Quote: Gerry McDonnell @ March 29 2011, 2:08 PM BST

My old boss used to describe swearing as 'a crutch for the conversational cripple'. I used to describe him as 'a c**t'.

See that only works because 'c**t' is taboo; it is all about rationing yourself.

Perhaps the only other circumstance in which it adds to teh comedy is where the swearing is itself the joke - in the case of Leslie Schofield's potty-mouthed security card in The Smoking Room the swearing was there to highlight his ignorance.

Quote: Blenkinsop @ March 29 2011, 2:21 PM BST

See there you are. That made me laugh Gerry, in fact it made me snort my tea. Perfect use of an expletive in the right context. Yours?

It's honestly a true story :)

Most bosses are. It's in the job description.

Normally I'm a bit prudish when it comes to swearing in comedy but this clip from "The Thick of It" shows that even bad language can be beautiful.

WARNING CONTAINS VERY BAD WORDS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe3Ou9xBAlI

(You need to sign in to prove you're over 18 to watch it)

Quote: Gerry McDonnell @ March 29 2011, 2:34 PM BST

It's honestly a true story :)

:D

Quote: Gerry McDonnell @ March 29 2011, 2:08 PM BST

My old boss used to describe swearing as 'a crutch for the conversational cripple'. I used to describe him as 'a c**t'.

Is that why he is your "old" boss?

Quote: Blenkinsop @ March 29 2011, 2:21 PM BST

See there you are. That made me laugh Gerry, in fact it made me snort my tea. Perfect use of an expletive in the right context. Yours?

Totally agree.

Quote: Rigid Bones @ March 31 2011, 8:54 PM BST

Is that why he is your "old" boss?

It is :)

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