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Whatever you think of him, AA Gill made a good point whilst discussing this very issue in yesterday's Sunday Times. He pointed out that sitcoms about the working-class are only truly funny when they're about the aspirational working-class, i.e. those that are trying to escape their class. The Trotter family trying to get out of Peckham by getting rich; Harold trying to escape from the Oil Drum Lane (and his coarse father) by aspiring to wealth and the cultured life; Bob (with the awful Thelma) trying to become middle-class, but being held back by Terry... even in Til Death Us Do Part it's only Alf who's truly proud of his working-class status, with his daughter trying to escape it and his wife more-than-hinting that she doesn't see what's so great about being salt-of-the-earth. It's true that great working-class comedy tends to involve characters who are, to a greater or lesser extent, trying to become middle-class. A lot of the comedy comes from them being held back by others (and by themselves).

Sitcoms which tend to celebrate working-class people proud of their class are mostly not as funny, tending as they do to reinforce stereotypes in their praise of working-class values, e.g. Scousers in Bread, or Essex girls in Birds Of A Feather.

The secret of great working-class comedy seems to be employ characters trying to get away from being working-class, rather than those who celebrate it.

Quote: Tim Walker @ January 31 2011, 1:35 PM GMT

Whatever you think of him, AA Gill made a good point whilst discussing this very issue in yesterday's Sunday Times. He pointed out that sitcoms about the working-class are only truly funny when they're about the aspirational working-class, i.e. those that are trying to escape their class. The Trotter family trying to get out of Peckham by getting rich; Harold trying to escape from the Oil Drum Lane (and his coarse father) by aspiring to wealth and the cultured life; Bob (with the awful Thelma) trying to become middle-class, but being held back by Terry... even in Til Death Us Do Part it's only Alf who's truly proud of his working-class status, with his daughter trying to escape it and his wife more-than-hinting that she doesn't see what's so great about being salt-of-the-earth. It's true that great working-class comedy tends to involve characters who are, to a greater or lesser extent, trying to become middle-class. A lot of the comedy comes from them being held back by others (and by themselves).

Sitcoms which tend to celebrate working-class people proud of their class are mostly not as funny, tending as they do to reinforce stereotypes in their praise of working-class values, e.g. Scousers in Bread, or Essex girls in Birds Of A Feather.

The secret of great working-class comedy seems to be employ characters trying to get away from being working-class, rather than those who celebrate it.

Your honour I refer you to the great Rab C

But in the main a good take,

Quote: Tim Walker @ January 31 2011, 1:35 PM GMT

Whatever you think of him, AA Gill made a good point whilst discussing this very issue in yesterday's Sunday Times. He pointed out that sitcoms about the working-class are only truly funny when they're about the aspirational working-class, i.e. those that are trying to escape their class. The Trotter family trying to get out of Peckham by getting rich; Harold trying to escape from the Oil Drum Lane (and his coarse father) by aspiring to wealth and the cultured life; Bob (with the awful Thelma) trying to become middle-class, but being held back by Terry... even in Til Death Us Do Part it's only Alf who's truly proud of his working-class status, with his daughter trying to escape it and his wife more-than-hinting that she doesn't see what's so great about being salt-of-the-earth. It's true that great working-class comedy tends to involve characters who are, to a greater or lesser extent, trying to become middle-class. A lot of the comedy comes from them being held back by others (and by themselves).

Sitcoms which tend to celebrate working-class people proud of their class are mostly not as funny, tending as they do to reinforce stereotypes in their praise of working-class values, e.g. Scousers in Bread, or Essex girls in Birds Of A Feather.

The secret of great working-class comedy seems to be employ characters trying to get away from being working-class, rather than those who celebrate it.

I was stunned to read just how massively popular Bread was.

Brought back a horrible abuse memory that I may once have enjoyed it.....

I liked it, but I was about 5.

I was probably just amused by the silly accents. ;)

Quote: sootyj @ January 31 2011, 1:57 PM GMT

I was stunned to read just how massively popular Bread was.

Many years ago I was (and still am) a member of HAWG - Hammersmith Actors and Writers Group - although it's now known as AWL. It's a script-in-hand group for actors and writers of varying degree and fame. One of the founders was Ronald Forfar, aka Freddie Boswell, and what a bloody nice bloke he was too.

Agreed; met him once at a shindig, lovely chap.

Quote: Marc P @ January 31 2011, 1:47 PM GMT

Your honour I refer you to the great Rab C

And Early Doors and The Royle Family.

It's no bother to me, I'll just shift the focus of my pilot subtly from the world of the contemporary art intelligentsia to Greggs the bakers.

:D

Gaugan to sausage flan?

Quote: David Bussell @ January 31 2011, 4:16 PM GMT

It's no bother to me, I'll just shift the focus of my pilot subtly from the world of the contemporary art intelligentsia to Greggs the bakers.

What's this thing you have with Gregg's? Hoping to meet David Cameron?

I read in the Daily Mail about that. But the article I read was written by Ray Galton and Alan Simpson (writers of Hancock and Steptoe) and they disagreed. They said that it is nothing to do with the social classes but to do with the cleverness of the humour, wit and language used in the script. Personally I agree.

Most of the working class sitcoms are quite rude (eg The Royle Family can sometimes be mainly toilet humour) but the middle-class comedies generally seem to be more flowing. I've noticed the good old middle class sitcoms seem to be based generally around two people eg. Terry and June, Hyacinth and Richard in Keeping up Appearances and Victor and Margaret in One Foot).

So, turns out Danny Boy doesn't just want working-class sitcoms on BBC1 - he wants his missus on Question time too!

Right now Dr Noreena Hertz is being effortlessly outclassed by the rest of the panel - except she's just a bit too slow to realise it.

So, if he wants a sitcom about slow folk shouting at each other, I humbly suggest 'At Home with the Cohens'.

You heard it here first!

Quote: Bomsh @ February 3 2011, 11:38 PM GMT

Dr Noreena Hertz

Good comedy name though, you have to give Danny Cohen top marks for marrying that. :)

She sounds quite high powered.

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