So we're not blaming Scott Carson then?
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Quote: Frankie Rage @ November 28, 2007, 3:35 PMI am a happy little person ..always! (mostly..)
Happy with the state of the this nation/world - NO!
Now I'll agree with you there.
Roll on "Survivors" world.
Quote: David Chapman @ November 28, 2007, 2:58 PMI'm proud to be English but that doesn't mean I'm proud of those shaven-headed tattooed twats with staffordshire bull terriers.
Hear here!
Likewise Dave here and hear!
9 times out of 10, the people who make a big deal about the rights and wrongs of flying the St. George's Cross flag, and supporting England, aren't really football fans anyway. In fact, they're not really fans of any sport. The rest of us just get on with enjoying the beautiful game.
And I am one of those 9.
Quote: catskillz @ November 29, 2007, 12:32 AM9 times out of 10, the people who make a big deal about the rights and wrongs of flying the St. George's Cross flag, and supporting England, aren't really football fans anyway. In fact, they're not really fans of any sport. The rest of us just get on with enjoying the beautiful game.
It is a beautiful game football. But a lot of the sportsmanship has gone out of it. It's a Pity that.
I think that you misread the post Jason.
That's OK then!
Quote: Jason Kindred @ November 29, 2007, 1:50 PMHow dare you! You're probably right, but how dare you anyway...
My point is this. Whenever England fans go on the rampage, the old stanby is trotted out: "They're not proper fotball fans." I say, they are proper football fans. Just because they like kicking seven bells of shit out of somebody, doesn't mean they don't appreciate or enjoy watching football. They just like to combine it with violence.
Perhaps that's true. But then that's got nothing really to do with flying (or not) the flag of St. George, which was what the original post was talking about. 
I must admit, I find it pretty funny that some people on here have been getting so hot and bothered about sports fans simply daring to support their National football team, when not a single person has commented on that poor bitch who's been locked up in that Sudanese prison.
Quote: catskillz @ December 1, 2007, 12:39 AMI must admit, I find it pretty funny that some people on here have been getting so hot and bothered about sports fans simply daring to support their National football team, when not a single person has commented on that poor bitch who's been locked up in that Sudanese prison.
They authorities think she has broken the law so they've arrested her. The law in Sudan is different than here and she is subject to the local law as she is living there. Seems fair enough to me. She should abide by the courts judgement or appeal, if their system allows appeals (which I think it does). I must admit I can't see a problem at the moment.
What do you think of the hundreds of machete-weilding men who were outside the court today, demanding she be executed (many of whom did so with beaming smiles on their faces)? I know they live in a completely different society/culture, but I thought one or two of the people who commented on this thread may have mentioned the story.
I think that it's sickening, and our government should be ashamed that they're not doing more to aid her release.
Quote: catskillz @ December 1, 2007, 4:05 AMWhat do you think of the hundreds of machete-weilding men who were outside the court today, demanding she be executed (many of whom did so with beaming smiles on their faces)? I know they live in a completely different society/culture, but I thought one or two of the people who commented on this thread may have mentioned the story.
I thought about starting a thread I must admit.
If you transplant that scenario to London we'd have to be very careful though not to upset those 'machete wielding men' as we might be seen as being racist!
You don't think it might be 'rigged' do you, to try to embarass the English government and show us up as not be prepared to act strongly in the defence of one of our citizens due to the political scenarios it would invoke? You know, 'Britain sends a gunboat to quell the fuzzzy wuzzies' type scenarios.
On the other hand (if it's not been chopped off) I do think there are probably a lot of extremists out there who'd like to cut 'English Christians' heads off and put them on the end of a pole and run around baying! It's out there, some of those folks want that!
Quote: Cinnamon @ December 1, 2007, 10:12 AMI think that it's sickening, and our government should be ashamed that they're not doing more to aid her release.
The government doesn't care about her as an individual. They will be looking totally at the political scenario. They'll be hoping that it blows over and there'll be 'helpful dicussions' and cups of tea with the Sudan government 'offline'. The extremists out there will be loving this! Namby-pamby Britain. There is a lot of machismo involved in extremism.
The government could of course publically demand her instant release at the highest level, i.e. Gordon could tell them publicly on World TV. But if they didn't release her, what would he do then?
My personal view is that of course the poor woman hasn't committed any crime, nothing that I personally perceive as a crime anyway. But then there are quite a few English laws I don't believe in either. It's hard to conceive that the Sudanese could even arrest the woman for the teddy bear incident, never mind jail her and want to put her on trial. It does give you an indicator of how 'different' their society is, and non-complementary to ours in some ways.
It looks like they have to keep their extremists happy, or that some of their extremists are actually in power. Worrying thoughts?