PS: lots of the people indulging in Family History research are ladies in their 50s and 60s and nowadays they DO tend to learn how to use the Internet, because so much of the desired information is now on-line.
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Quote: billwill @ November 6 2010, 2:26 PM GMTHmm, I doubt that you'll get answers to that on this forum; I suspect most of the members would have to ask their GRAND-fathers.
I am in that age bracket, but I'm from South Wales, not Yorkshire. Only a small fraction of people in that age group are familiar with & happy to use the Internet, most are very 'cyber-shy'.
Try looking at forums on Family History sites (http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/), check the magazines that deal with family history. Try searching Google for "silver surfers".
Thanks Bill, I have already done a bit of research and am really after personal accounts from people who are personally recommended. I wondered if any of you might have relatives who would be willing to help. I appreciate we are probably talking about grand parents. That's why I asked if any of you know someone, rather than assuming you are all old. 
I wanted to try here before asking via other websites or forums.
Thanks Bill, I have already done a bit of research and am really after personal accounts from people who are personally recommended. I wondered if any of you might have relatives who would be willing to help. I appreciate we are probably talking about grand parents. That's why I asked if any of you know someone, rather than assuming you are all old.
Tricky. The people you want to communicate with are not all that likely yo be on-line and you wouldn't be able to phone them, I guess.
On the private forum of my ex-school for which I am webmaster all the members there are aged 64-90 because the school closed in 1959. I'm not sure if any are from Yorkshire though. I'll post a version of your message there and see if you get any volunteers from there.
Only snag is that they are all children of the Military Services, so will not have resided in Yorkshire until young adults, they were over in Germany for a lot of the time span you ask about.
Quote: billwill @ November 6 2010, 2:45 PM GMTTricky. The people you want to communicate with are not all that likely yo be on-line and you wouldn't be able to phone them, I guess.
On the private forum of my ex-school for which I am webmaster all the members there are aged 64-90 because the school closed in 1959. I'm not sure if any are from Yorkshire though. I'll post a version of your message there and see if you get any volunteers from there.
No I can't phone them unfortunately. Thank you for your help. Much appreciated.
Loopey, I can't guarantee it, but I could give my grandparents printed out versions of your questions and see if they're interested. They're all in Middlesbrough, which was part of North Yorkshire until fairly recently.
Quote: Nat Wicks @ November 6 2010, 2:55 PM GMTLoopey, I can't guarantee it, but I could give my grandparents printed out versions of your questions and see if they're interested. They're all in Middlesbrough, which was part of North Yorkshire until fairly recently.
Thanks Nat, I will pm you later.
munchausen by proxy
Common or not? How do you know?
Anyone know. Dr Tim?
I know of 2 cases of this right within my own circle of friends and family.
Quote: bigfella @ November 6 2010, 7:36 PM GMTmunchausen by proxy
Common or not? How do you know?
Anyone know. Dr Tim?
The data is vague and inconsistent at best. It's also become an unfashionable diagnosis since the furore over Roy Meadow (the paediatrician involved in the cot death cases). It really is such a difficult area... My hunch (yep, that's the best you'll get) is that it's a rare syndrome, in its true form mostly confined to mothers and young children, probably linked to post-natal depression (or other pre-existing mental health conditions) and only very occasionally leads to the death of the proxy patient. Probably most cases go unnoticed.
Maybe. 
Thanks Tim.
Is it only done via children? What about a physically dependant adult?
In my experiences, one case was a child and the other was an adult with Down Syndrome.
It can occur wherever one is in a position of care and power over another's life. Mother and child is just by far the commonest situation where this occurs.
There's a difference between inflicting harm on someone simply in order to bring attention to oneself and Münchhausen's by proxy, which can often be a far more subconscious cry for help and may involve genuine delusional thoughts and behaviour.
You have to judge each case on its individual circumstances really...
How hard were these cases to spot Andie? Were they "offical" diganos? (spelling!)
In the one case (which sadly was a family member) the child had cancer (leukemia specifically) and went into remission. About 15 months later, he suddenly started losing weight. What everyone thought was a return of the cancer was actually his mother starving him and giving him diuretics. She then shaved his head and began pulling him out of school for "doctor's appointments." All of this was going on right under our entire family's watch. Luckily all is okay now, but she did cause the end of her marriage and is now in a mental health facility.
Neil, in the court proceedings, it was defined as being that.
Quote: AndreaLynne @ November 6 2010, 9:11 PM GMTIn the one case (which sadly was a family member) the child had cancer (leukemia specifically) and went into remission. About 15 months later, he suddenly started losing weight. What everyone thought was a return of the cancer was actually his mother starving him and giving him diuretics. She then shaved his head and began pulling him out of school for "doctor's appointments." All of this was going on right under our entire family's watch. Luckily all is okay now, but she did cause the end of her marriage and is now in a mental health facility.
Neil, in the court proceedings, it was defined as being that.
Was that in the papers? Seems to ring a bell.