Quote: Nat Wicks @ October 9 2010, 3:09 PM BSTit is very rare that derivatives of cockney RS filter up.
Very rare?
I think most Northerners are familiar with words such as:
'bread' (money)
'china' (mate)
'bird' (time spent in prison)
'bristols' (breasts)
'butcher's ' (look)
'cobblers' (balls)
'ginger' (queer)
'J. Arthur' (wank)
'Khyber' (arse)
'loaf' (head)
'scarper' (go)
Are they not?
'Bampot' or 'bam'
'Minger'
'Plook'
'Tumshie' (other word for turnip)
Is 'peasant' too old-fashioned? Maybe you could reintroduce it.
Quote: Ming the Mirthless @ October 9 2010, 3:29 PM BSTVery rare?
I think most Northerners are familiar with words such as:
'bread' (money)
'china' (mate)
'bird' (time spent in prison)
'bristols' (breasts)
'butcher's ' (look)
'cobblers' (balls)
'ginger' (queer)
'J. Arthur' (wank)
'Khyber' (arse)
'loaf' (head)
'scarper' (go)
Are they not?
Yeah, familiar with as in seen most of them on TV or movies, but not used in general conversation. With the exception of scarper maybe. And loaf very rarely. I've never heard of almost half of them.
I would like to see the insult "benny" (as in "You benny!") brought back into common usage. Of course, it originated in the 70s, referencing the slow-witted character (Benny) in Crossroads, and over time has fallen by the wayside. However, I was very pleased to see it used briefly in The Office ("Gareth is a Benny" as a screensaver).
Quote: don rushmore @ October 9 2010, 1:37 AM BSTThis should clear up any misunderstanding.
'Egg and spoon' often being shortened to just 'spoon'.
NO. The meaning behind what WE said, in CUmbria, was exactly how I put it earlier; he's a spoon as he's too stupid to be trusted with a knife and fork. THAT is what it meant to us, maybe elsewhere it came from a racist term.
Quote: Nat Wicks @ October 9 2010, 1:51 PM BSTI'm calling bullshit on Spoon being racist slang. Maybe in London town, but certainly not in the gentle North.
Ex-f**king-zactly!
Quote: Matthew Stott @ October 9 2010, 4:14 PM BSTEx-f**king-zactly!
*High five*
Quote: Ming the Mirthless @ October 9 2010, 2:36 PM BST'Spoon' is undoubtedly used as rhyming slang (wooden spoon) for 'coon' in the North of England and has been for decades and decades.
Again, bullshit. WE used it with the meaning I said, maybe others didn't.
Quote: don rushmore @ October 9 2010, 3:06 PM BSTMost ignorant people, yes. I made a statement, then backed it up with a link from a reliable source.
By all means question a post, tell me why I'm wrong, etc. But bring something tangible to the debate.
Something other than: I've never heard it used that way, so it can't be true. Really, what sort of argument is that?
Ignorant people. Jesus F. Christ. Never crossed your mind that the same term could have evolved differntly from two different sources? No?
Quote: Matthew Stott @ October 9 2010, 4:15 PM BSTAgain, bullshit. WE used it with the meaning I said, maybe others didn't.
I'm forced to agree with Matthew here. 'Spoon' was a common playground insult when I was at school in early '80s Bristol. It definitely wasn't used with any racial connotation in our part of the Beautiful South...
Quote: Tim Walker @ October 9 2010, 4:10 PM BSTthe insult "Benny" (as in "You Benny") originated in the 70s, referencing the slow-witted character (Benny) in Crossroads,
With great respect, that's incorrect.
The expression 'Benny' (meaning 'a slow-witted or foolish person')was in use in the North of England at least 10 years before Benny Hawkins first appeared in Crossroads,
Quote: Matthew Stott @ October 9 2010, 4:16 PM BSTIgnorant people. Jesus F. Christ. Never crossed your mind that the same term could have evolved differntly from two different sources? No?
Matty's getting annoyed!
Quote: don rushmore @ October 9 2010, 4:18 PM BST
Matty's getting annoyed!
I'm actually not annoyed, I just think you're a bit of a shit stirring fool, really.
Then again, I should know better than to reply to your guff, so maybe I'm just as much a fool.
Quote: Ming the Mirthless @ October 9 2010, 4:18 PM BSTWith great respect, that's incorrect.
The expression 'Benny' (meaning 'a slow-witted or foolish person')was in use in the North of England at least 10 years before Benny Hawkins first appeared in Crossroads,
Things were obviously somewhat different in the North, it seems. The aetiology in my bit of the South, I always understood to be related to the TV character - simply because the word was most popular during the time Crossroads was on. It may well have been a migrant from Up North, but it doesn't really matter.
Perhaps the TV character Benny was named thus because of the previous usage and definition? Either way, I like it. 
Quote: Matthew Stott @ October 9 2010, 4:19 PM BSTI just think you're a bit of a shit stirring fool, really.
Now, now.
Quote: don rushmore @ October 9 2010, 3:06 PM BSTMost ignorant people, yes. I made a statement, then backed it up with a link from a reliable source.
By all means question a post, tell me why I'm wrong, etc. But bring something tangible to the debate.
Something other than: I've never heard it used that way, so it can't be true. Really, what sort of argument is that?
Oh stop being such an annoying pain.
I didn't actually say anywhere that you were wrong, did I?
I was giving my experience of the word.
Quote: don rushmore @ October 9 2010, 4:23 PM BSTNow, now.
Now I would be a hypocrite if I stated something different, wouldn't I? 