Quote: DaButt @ October 4 2010, 3:03 PM BSTWhat's shameful about it?
My father attended all the U.S. tests from 1956-1958 and 1962-1966.
Just that whole poisoning the Earth with radioactive material thing.
What YouTube video are you watching? Page 65
Quote: Gerry McDonnell @ October 6 2010, 3:38 PM BSTA very nice spoof on Apple Gizmos from The Onion:
Haha, very good.
Quote: Lee Henman @ October 6 2010, 3:45 PM BSTJust that whole poisoning the Earth with radioactive material thing.
Quote: DaButt @ October 6 2010, 6:58 PM BST
There are other small factors to consider - the incalculable impact on wildlife, the vast costs of testing, the 'accidents' that happen like the Bravo test on Bikini Atoll where the US military failed to warn the people of the nearby Pacific Islands, who still suffer to this day because of the fallout.
Oh and the fact that nuclear weapons are pretty-much regarded throughout the entire world as bad things and a product of the very worst that humanity has to offer. 25 years ago we came perilously close to all-out nuclear war.
So yeah. It's shameful.
Quote: Lee Henman @ October 6 2010, 11:02 PM BST25 years ago we came perilously close to all-out nuclear war.
You mean 48 years ago?
Think for a moment what shape we'd be in had the U.S. and UK not built and tested bombs.
Quote: DaButt @ October 7 2010, 12:04 AM BSTYou mean 48 years ago?
I wasn't really referring to the Cuban missile crisis, I was referring to the eighties Cold War, the one I remember growing up as a teenager with the constant fear of nuclear armageddon hanging over my head.
I was a fun kid 
Quote: DaButt @ October 7 2010, 12:04 AM BSTThink for a moment what shape we'd be in had the U.S. and UK not built and tested bombs.
I'd rather imagine a world where nuclear bombs had never been invented in the first place.
Quote: Lee Henman @ October 7 2010, 12:11 AM BSTI was referring to the eighties Cold War, the one I remember growing up as a teenager with the constant fear of nuclear armageddon hanging over my head.
I was in the Army from 1985-9 and it never felt like we were close to a nuclear war. That includes the day in 1988 when I gave the finger to the assembled crew of a Soviet warship as it passed through the Panama Canal.
I'd rather imagine a world where nuclear bombs had never been invented in the first place.
Pipe dreams, I'm afraid. Just be glad that the good guys got it first and that M.A.D. ensured they'd never be used in anger after WWII.
Quote: DaButt @ October 7 2010, 12:28 AM BSTI was in the Army from 1985-9 and it never felt like we were close to a nuclear war. That includes the day in 1988 when I gave the finger to the assembled crew of a Soviet warship as it passed through the Panama Canal.
Well maybe the fact that you were in the army was a factor in being protected from the general feeling of impending nuclear doom. Or maybe in the US the whole thing was played down by the media. I don't know. I do know that here in the UK it felt like a really big deal.
We were having terrifying BBC dramas broadcast like Threads http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8E9fwQ1Ylw and When The Wind Blows http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntI-7vR2zRs&feature=related and God knows how many pop culture references to the danger we were in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXWVpcypf0w&feature=related
It was a seriously-scary time.
Quote: Lee Henman @ October 7 2010, 12:44 AM BSTWell maybe the fact that you were in the army was a factor in being protected from the general feeling of impending nuclear doom. Or maybe in the US the whole thing was played down by the media. I don't know. I do know that here in the UK it felt like a really big deal.
We were in range.
Quote: Lee Henman @ October 7 2010, 12:44 AM BSTWell maybe the fact that you were in the army was a factor in being protected from the general feeling of impending nuclear doom. Or maybe in the US the whole thing was played down by the media. I don't know. I do know that here in the UK it felt like a really big deal.
We were having terrifying BBC dramas broadcast like Threads http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8E9fwQ1Ylw and When The Wind Blows http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntI-7vR2zRs&feature=related and God knows how many pop culture references to the danger we were in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXWVpcypf0w&feature=related
Maybe your media outlets just wanted you to be scared. The real fear about nuclear war abated circa the early 60s.
Quote: Lee Henman @ October 7 2010, 12:11 AM BSTI'd rather imagine a world where nuclear bombs had never been invented in the first place.
This.
Kevin Smith on Superman and Hollywood Producers 
This man can fly. http://vimeo.com/15479617
The most important film of our time is Norwegian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy2nAOdBUlw&feature=player_embedded
Quote: Lee Henman @ October 7 2010, 12:57 PM BSTThe most important film of our time is Norwegian
Quality. I love the idea that they've got a boner for Christians.