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Male Circumcision

Now there's an eye-watering thread title!

Anyway, I just wanted your input on this story. The subject of infant circumcision has always horrified me and just recently it's been brought into clear focus again through an aquaintance of mine.

Basically my friend knows an American guy who moved over here to be with his girlfriend. Anyway, the girlfriend got pregnant and is about to have the baby. Her boyfriend dropped it casually into a conversation that he wants the baby to be circumcised (if it's a boy, obviously). His girlfriend was horrified but he's put his foot down, saying everyone in his family is circumcised and he's damned if his son will be the first to buck the trend. He's not Jewish or anything, there are no religious connotations, he just wants Junior to be like Pops.

So - firstly - what are your thoughts on tying a baby down and chopping the end of his thing off for no good medical reason? Do you think it's painful for the baby? Well let me give you an idea...basically what happens is for adults, the procedure involves a general anaesthetic and days (and sometimes weeks) of recuperation. For babies, there's no general anaesthetic because it's too dangerous. So all they get is some local cream rubbed on or a local injection if they're lucky. Whoop-de-doo. I've read horror stories on the web about babies screaming in agony during the procedure, some even going into shock. Without wanting to go into too much grim detail, a baby boy's foreskin is still fused to his penis, and during the operation (while he's still awake), the foreskin has to be forcibly retracted and literally ripped away from the flesh beneath like velcro. Even with local anaesthetic this can be incredibly painful. Agony, even. And then there's the question of what does it feel like for a baby to urinate on and around a wound for days? Sting much? Sorry if that made you wince.

Now, reading through various threads and discussions on the subject, American supporters of circumcision will ALWAYS tell you the same things. They will tell you that it's "more hygenic, because foreskins cause urinary tract infections". To which I would ask, "Don't you have showers in the US?". Another reason they tell you circumcision is good is that it "Makes you last longer in bed". Oh great! So being circumcised desensitizes the penis, does it? Well I'm sold, sign me up! Another one they trot out is that it makes your old chap look bigger. Erm...what? Chopping part of your willy off makes it look BIGGER?? How does that work then? Oh and also not having a foreskin protects you from AIDS, apparently.

Anyway, my conclusion is that the real reason 60-70% of American Dads want their infant sons mutilated is because, like my mate's American friend, they want them to fit in with the family. They'll dress it up with ridiculous 'facts' to justify it but deep down it's all about tradition, and nothing more.

I'm not sure tradition would be enough to sway me into putting my child through that sort of pain and potential complications later.

Anyway, that's my two penneth, what do you think? I'm not asking you to agree with me, just interested to read what you think. Or if you want to take the piss, do so at your leisure!

If anyone has the stomach to watch, this is the procedure here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MLtxCwdMv0

I'm a coward, I couldn't watch it.

Oh, Henman. Now you have this off your chest, will you sleep well tonight?

I think it's pointless. But apart from botched operations I don't see many men growing up traumatized because of it. So I don't feel that strongly.

Female circumcision looks worse.

Quote: Leevil @ September 24 2010, 3:01 AM BST

Oh, Henman. Now you have this off your chest, will you sleep well tonight?

I think it's pointless. But apart from botched operations I don't see many men growing up traumatized because of it. So I don't feel that strongly.

Female circumcision looks worse.

It certainly is pointless! :D
And yeah, you're right that most guys don't grow up traumatized. But surely it's the trauma that happens to the baby at the time of the procedure that's the point in question. I just don't like to see kids going through unnecessary pain. It's probably a dad thing.

I think with female circumcision they remove the whole lot - all the bits that bring sexual pleasure so yes, that is worse obviously, although it generally only occurs in primitive areas like North Africa and the Middle East. And parts of Cornwall.

It is disgusting. Any unnecessary body mutilation to a child should be the thing of the past (especially in Cornwall). The only thing that needs to be cut from a baby is the umbilical cord *high-five*

Oh, and aren't the girls like 13 years old when they have their circumcision? Now that would traumatize you.

Quote: Lee Henman @ September 24 2010, 3:16 AM BST

It certainly is pointless! :D

I just got that. Pleased

Quote: Lee Henman @ September 24 2010, 3:16 AM BST

although it generally only occurs in primitive areas like North Africa and the Middle East.

:O

Apparently my Dad's circumcised. I don't know why, as he's not Jewish. As for this kid, I don't see why his Father feels he has the right to put his foot down, just because the kid is male, like him. I really can't understand how a person could feel so strongly about getting it done, especially as he's not even Jewish.

Quote: Lee Henman @ September 24 2010, 2:47 AM BST

- what are your thoughts on tying a baby down and chopping the end of his thing off for no good medical reason?

If there's no good medical reason, then I think it is a brutal assault.

There's all sorts of weird things that people do because of family tradition, even if they make no sense at all. It feels normal and acceptable to them.
I certainly wouldn't have it done to anyone though.

I think any religious ritual which is practied as a consenting/understanding adult is fairly pointless.

That said I was circumcised no a fair few people who were and generally there aren't any complications or long lasting effects (couldn't walk for a year afterward as the old joke goes).

I suppose the only real benefit is one doesn't get smegma. Though never having had it am I missing out on much?

Quote: sootyj @ September 24 2010, 8:46 AM BST

I suppose the only real benefit is one doesn't get smegma.

Mine gets Kiss FM.

Quote: sootyj @ September 24 2010, 8:46 AM BST

... and generally there aren't any complications or long lasting effects

None that you are aware of; what if it causes dyslexia?

Well of course it's wrong. And pointless. And stupid.

Quote: Nogget @ September 24 2010, 8:55 AM BST

Mine gets Kiss FM.

None that you are aware of; what if it causes dyslexia?

If one bears in mind the number of geat Islamic and Jewish scholars that seems a little unlikely.

Quote: Leevil @ September 24 2010, 3:35 AM BST

Any unnecessary body mutilation to a child should be the thing of the past

This.

It's funny how circumcision has become so popular in America. I remember watching a film/sitcom, a few years back, in which an English bloke living over there was treated like a freak because he still had a foreskin.

I suppose it's all about what you know. I grew up in South Africa, where pretty much every boy is circumcised. I saw my first uncircumcised penis in the UK and can confirm they are much more sensitive.

Female cicumcision is just wrong. I saw a poster about it in my doctors waiting room, it shocked me that in the UK we have to remind people not to mutilate their daughters' genitalia as it's illegal.

Let the baby grow up and decide if it wants a penile snip. Otherwise, leave it the f**k alone.

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