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Quote: Boomerang Jones @ September 14 2010, 2:21 PM BST

I'm thinking this may be the wrong forum for posting mine and Attaxwrongess's work on as although some of this advice we could apply to our videos it's clear that our sense of humour is not the same as many peoples' who post on here and if that's the case it wouldn't matter how good the camera work or anything was.

There's a whole range of comedy on here. Admittedly not all that good. But don't blame the audience if your style doesn't work. Ahem.

Quote: Mr Ashdown @ September 14 2010, 2:19 PM BST

A couple of technical suggestions.

Quick cutting always improves low/no-budget films. A common mistake is to have static scenes that just go on way too long with the camera not moving. You can shoot a five minute dialogue exchange, and simply use bog-standard video editing software to zoom in on certain sections for close-ups, or mid-shots, or whatever, then plonk 'em into the scene to give it a bit of punch. It takes very minimal effort to do this, and it's well worth it. The scene is unchanged from the shoot, but because the editing is offering new visuals every 30 seconds to a minute or so, it seems faster.

Rehearse a scene at least once, and shoot everything at least twice. You'll have more rushes to chose from in the edit, and you can cut out corpsing, fluffed lines, etc.

American sitcoms have cutaways for scene changes. To imitate this, film the outside of your home for a few minutes, and simply drop a few seconds of the footage between your scene changes.

Use as much lighting as you can, and set your camera to a non-natural light mode; if at all possible, have the lights (lamps, etc) up high, to avoid casting shadows. If your actors are sat on a sofa throughout the scene, for instance, you can set the camera position to slightly above their eyeline (camera pointing down) and above and behind them you can be throwing as much light down as possible. This doesn't cost money (you're not hiring halogen lamps) but does take a bit of, well, producing and directing.

The performances need a bit more energy and commitment. Know the lines, try to stay in character at all times, be generous and *always acting* with co-performers. An acting coach suggested that -- for this kind of thing -- it's a good idea to jog on the spot before the cameras role so you hit the scene fast and give it complete focus.

Lastly, I'd love to write a three minute sketch about your beards. Please make this happen.

Ok, cool. And yeah, it would be awesome to be able to have more camera angles, locations etc. - we have a couple of friends with camcorders who we have talked about collaborating with so perhaps we will make this happen with a beard sketch!

I like the idea of jogging on the spot before starting filming as well - I can see how that would work. Thanks for the comments, sir.

Quote: Leevil @ September 14 2010, 2:24 PM BST

There's a whole range of comedy on here. Admittedly not all that good. But don't blame the audience if your style doesn't work. Ahem.

Did you read the whole post, in which I fully explained my reasoning?

I managed to watch this but the picture was very dark [is that my PC?] So I could hardly see who was speaking. I didn't find it funny at all. If you think of other spoofs like Airplane [the disaster spoof film] that was hilarious and my idea of what a spoof should be.
Yours is a good idea but needs to be funny. Perhaps you shouldn't pick on one sitcom..i.e.. Two and A Half Men, but do a general spoof of sitcoms in general.

Quote: Boomerang Jones @ September 14 2010, 2:25 PM BST

Did you read the whole post, in which I fully explained my reasoning?

Yes, fair enough.

Please post in paragraphs :P otherwise skim-reading happens :S

Quote: David Bussell @ September 14 2010, 2:12 PM BST

Okay, I'm going to go back on what I just said about making further comments because I honestly don't think I'm going to say anything contentious here. I hear what you're saying, Boomerang, and I appreciate as much as any writer how much someone brutally prodding your baby feels. It's hard not to take it to heart. Truth be told, if you were to go back to my first posts on this forum you might find I've been guilty of the exact same thing.

The mistake you've made - and I'm trying to be helpful, I really am - is to parody something you simply don't have the budget to parody. With the equipment you've got you couldn't even send up Marion and Geoff to any great effect. I'm not saying you can't be funny with a webcam alone, there are thousands of examples of people doing exactly that, I'm saying you wrote something beyond your production means. It's an honest mistake - you got excited about the prospect of filming and jumped in before you properly explored your options. My advice, were you to take it, would be for you to write something you can achieve with what you have. Robert Rodriguez had a suit, a tortoise and a guitar case and wrote El Mariachi. You have a webcam, some friends and some magnificent beards. Rather than trying to take on a big budget US production, think about how you can work with your limitations. I hope you see that I'm not trying to push your buttons here - I'm just offering some advice.

Good stuff, now I think we understand each other. I see what you're saying about the budget thing although I'm of the opinion that such things should not stand in the way of having a go at something if you like the idea. Adam and Joe used to make their show themselves in a pretty lo-fi way, often with awesome results. I know you're not trying to make me angry. It's all good.

Adam & Joe put shit-loads of effort into it though ;)

Quote: bushbaby @ September 14 2010, 2:27 PM BST

I managed to watch this but the picture was very dark (is that my PC?) So I could hardly see who was speaking. I didn't find it funny at all. If you think of other spoofs like Airplane (the disaster spoof film) that was hilarious and my idea of what a spoof should be.
Yours is a good idea but needs to be funny. Perhaps you shouldn't pick on one sitcom..i.e.. Two and A Half Men, but do a general spoof of sitcoms in general.

I don't think the picture was particularly dark. This was meant to be a spoof highlighting how bad such sitcoms as these are. What would you have said to make it funny?

Quote: Leevil @ September 14 2010, 2:33 PM BST

Adam & Joe put shit-loads of effort into it though ;)

Agreed, and if we had the time and money to put everything into what we do we really would too. Believe me.

Quote: Boomerang Jones @ September 14 2010, 2:32 PM BST

Good stuff, now I think we understand each other. I see what you're saying about the budget thing although I'm of the opinion that such things should not stand in the way of having a go at something if you like the idea. Adam and Joe used to make their show themselves in a pretty lo-fi way, often with awesome results. I know you're not trying to make me angry. It's all good.

They did, yeah, and they found a wonderful lo-fi way of doing it using action figures. There was real effort put into the sets and the way it was lit, edited and acted. Sadly, until Kenner start making Two and a Half Men dolls, your means of parodying the show in a tenable way are non-existent. I'm not saying don't think big - Adam and Joe did in their way - but think of ways you can properly grapple with your subject matter.

And yes, some audiences are never going to appreciate your stuff - but like Leevil says, you're getting a broad spectrum of opinion on here. Very broad.

Quote: David Bussell @ September 14 2010, 2:43 PM BST

They did, yeah, and they found a wonderful lo-fi way of doing it using action figures. There was real effort put into the sets and the way it was lit, edited and acted. Sadly, until Kenner start making Two and a Half Men dolls, your means of parodying the show in a tenable way are non-existent. I'm not saying don't think big - Adam and Joe did in their way - but think of ways you can properly grapple with your subject matter.

And yes, some audiences are never going to appreciate your stuff - but like Leevil says, you're getting a broad spectrum of opinion on here. Very broad.

Ok, maybe as a barometer I'll post a little bit of my stand-up material on here too - video of it doesn't really exist so it'll have to be in written form. Of course this means it won't have the inflections, facial expressions, beard, hand gestures or anything else with which it would normally be augmented but the bare bones will be there.

A broad spectrum of opinion? Seven shades of 'This is shit' is quite broad I guess. Only joking. Until someone gives us lots of money, giving us sufficient time to put as much effort into everything as Adam and Joe did, it will be a tall order for us to do so, but I do agree with what you say on this score.

##What would you have said to make it funny?###

Now that's a hard'n. [question that is]

I really don't think it's possible to spoof sitcoms, maybe soaps would be a better idea, or Westerns....some serious themed prog, not comedy

Quote: Boomerang Jones @ September 14 2010, 2:51 PM BST

Until someone gives us lots of money, giving us sufficient time to put as much effort into everything as Adam and Joe did

Adam & Joe made a tape and sent it into Channel 4.

Quote: bushbaby @ September 14 2010, 2:54 PM BST

##What would you have said to make it funny?###

Now that's a hard'n. [question that is]

I really don't think it's possible to spoof sitcoms, maybe soaps would be a better idea.

I dunno about that - it's not a sitcom but did you see Mitchell and Webb's parody of Dave Gorman? I found that pretty amusing. I think it's possible to spoof comedy. And I guess it was meant to be a hard question, but just trying to prove a point. Soaps could be quite easy to spoof - I mean how seriously can anyone ever take Hollyoaks when they once had a character who was a bit boring so they turned him into a serial killer?

Quote: Leevil @ September 14 2010, 2:55 PM BST

Adam & Joe made a tape and sent it into Channel 4.

Is that what they told you? ;) In all seriousness though I bet even then they had more money than we do.

Quote: Boomerang Jones @ September 14 2010, 2:51 PM BST

Ok, maybe as a barometer I'll post a little bit of my stand-up material on here too - video of it doesn't really exist so it'll have to be in written form. Of course this means it won't have the inflections, facial expressions, beard, hand gestures or anything else with which it would normally be augmented but the bare bones will be there.

Written stand up almost always makes for a horrible read, no matter how good your material. Like you say, it's lacking all the elements that make it what it's meant to be. You might as well dance about architecture as the saying goes.

Instead why not write a sketch down and post it on critique?

Quote: Leevil @ September 14 2010, 2:55 PM BST

Adam & Joe made a tape and sent it into Channel 4.

Exactly. That 'Being a Dickhead's Cool' song that's doing the rounds - how much do you think that cost to make? It's all in the writing and the edit. Stop using budget as an excuse and make good with what you have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVmmYMwFj1I

Quote: bushbaby @ September 14 2010, 2:54 PM BST

I really don't think it's possible to spoof sitcoms, maybe soaps would be a better idea, or Westerns....some serious themed prog, not comedy

Don't know about that - with a half decent bit of kit you could send up Peep Show, Marion and Geoff and whole host of other lo-fi shows. The trick is to be choosier about your target. Mimicking a Sergio Leone film, now that would be a real challenge with a camcorder.

Don't hustle the Bussell

Quote: David Bussell @ September 14 2010, 3:03 PM BST

Written stand up almost always makes for a horrible read, no matter how good your material. Like you say, it's lacking all the elements that make it what it's meant to be. You might as well dance about architecture as the saying goes.

Instead why not write a sketch down and post it on critique?

Exactly. That 'Being a Dickhead's Cool' song that's doing the rounds - how much do you think that cost to make? It's all in the writing and the edit. Stop using budget as an excuse and make good with what you have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVmmYMwFj1I

Ah, you clearly haven't seen me dance about architecture! I see your point though. And this is going back to the subjectivity thing - in the eyes of others we have made good with what we have. We could discuss this all day though and would get nowhere. Ok, well there was an incredibly short sketch I wrote with a friend of mine once - see how you like it.....

INT - Fairly affluent looking family home

Two men, both middle aged wearing dinner suits. One balding with glasses, the other with short grey hair. Both have serious expressions and appear to be in a discussion but dialogue is barely audible, drowned out by classical violin music. Music fades at a pause in conversation.

BALDING MAN: - I like what you've done with the curtains.

The camera pans round to see the curtains on fire and then back to see both men nodding and pursing their lips.

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