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Do Unproduced Writers Ever Get Commissioned? Page 2

Quote: Lee Henman @ September 8 2010, 1:47 AM BST

Like any business, knowing people and making new connections always helps. But it only helps so far. At the end of the day there are no TV producers who actually want to make crap. After all, their jobs depend on creating great products, not helping their mates out.

As far as I can see, most people in the industry are mainly of the same mindset - to make good TV. Some producers are better at it than others. Some writers are better at it than others. Sometimes crap gets through the process and makes it to screen, and sometimes genius does the same.

Here here.

Quote: bushbaby @ September 7 2010, 11:38 PM BST

In other words it's not what you know but who you know and that's how the industry works and will ever be so

Since you do know someone in the industry, I think you should just go ahead and make the most of 'em. ;)
She owes you, after all. I bet she never paid any rent for the space she lived in about your person for 9 months.

Quote: zooo @ September 8 2010, 1:23 PM BST

Since you do know someone in the industry, I think you should just go ahead and make the most of 'em. ;)
She owes you, after all. I bet she never paid any rent for the space she lived in about your person for 9 months.

That's a good point - it sounds like you're more connected than most, bb. Why not capitalise on it?

I make jokes about it, but I think if I had family connections I'd feel a bit weird about using them. Unless it was my parents, that would feel okay for some reason.
I'd certainly try for a good few years on my own first.

I wouldn't. I'm lazy. I'd only ask them to help me out if I was confident my work was up to scratch though.

Quote: Nat Wicks @ September 8 2010, 1:33 PM BST

I wouldn't. I'm lazy. I'd only ask them to help me out if I was confident my work was up to scratch though.

Yeah definitely, or it'd be really embarrassing.

Like, if I was related to a publisher or something, I'd definitely try and see if they could give me an admin job in the office or something. But from there I'd make my own contacts and do it myself. Just 'use' them to get a foot in the door, not for anything more major/sinister.

There might be a bit of fledgling resistance but in the end I'd use every advantage I had.

What that guy said. As long as I wasn't knowingly and directly screwing someone over. Then I'd have massive guilt issues.

Quote: Nat Wicks @ September 8 2010, 1:44 PM BST

What that guy said. As long as I wasn't knowingly and directly screwing someone over. Then I'd have massive guilt issues.

It doesn't really matter what you do - get the right breaks and some people will feel you've screwed them over just for being successful.

It is both what you know and who you know that will get you the best chance of getting commissioned. That's what I have learnt in the last year.

The competition is fierce out there, not in terms of quality submissions (quite the opposite) but in terms of the sheer number of scripts that are being sent out at the moment. Producers and the like are struggling to get enough time to read it all. Especially as they know a lot of it will be crap. They are actually human. So lots of them refuse to read unsolicited scripts for this reason.

So how do you become unsolicited? It really is piss-easy. You can sometimes just simply phone up the prod co or even email them. Some of them are on twitter - have a bit of banter with them first and then try. These are less effective methods though.

If you are serious about your writing career you really have to be pro-active. That's actually what they want. Anyone can email them a 45 page bag of shite. But they want committed and confident writers to find them. That's why they go to events, festivals, road shows or the such like. So you can meet them, so you can KNOW them, so you can be unsolicited.

If you are serious about writing then you should know about these events from various blogs, twitterings, websites that you should be subscribed to.

I went to the Cheltenham Screenwriters Festival last year knowing no one in the industry at all. Just some radio credits that had lead to a dead end. I walked away from that festival with three producers (one from Big Talk) and two agents that were interested in my projects and I know can contact directly. I'm working on a feature with one of them.

That was a priceless experience. There are cheaper, even free, events you can go to too. This years festival's a lot cheaper (see my signature). I'm involved with some website stuff only through contacts made last year. And now I've made even more.

Of course you can do nothing but send scripts out. But you risk it taking a lot longer and also for it get dated or already done as a result. Sorry for the essay!

Quote: ContainsNuts @ September 9 2010, 11:09 AM BST

It is both what you know and who you know that will get you the best chance of getting commissioned. That's what I have learnt in the last year.

The competition is fierce out there, not in terms of quality submissions (quite the opposite) but in terms of the sheer number of scripts that are being sent out at the moment. Producers and the like are struggling to get enough time to read it all. Especially as they know a lot of it will be crap. They are actually human. So lots of them refuse to read unsolicited scripts for this reason.

So how do you become unsolicited? It really is piss-easy. You can sometimes just simply phone up the prod co or even email them. Some of them are on twitter - have a bit of banter with them first and then try. These are less effective methods though.

If you are serious about your writing career you really have to be pro-active. That's actually what they want. Anyone can email them a 45 page bag of shite. But they want committed and confident writers to find them. That's why they go to events, festivals, road shows or the such like. So you can meet them, so you can KNOW them, so you can be unsolicited.

If you are serious about writing then you should know about these events from various blogs, twitterings, websites that you should be subscribed to.

I went to the Cheltenham Screenwriters Festival last year knowing no one in the industry at all. Just some radio credits that had lead to a dead end. I walked away from that festival with three producers (one from Big Talk) and two agents that were interested in my projects and I know can contact directly. I'm working on a feature with one of them.

That was a priceless experience. There are cheaper, even free, events you can go to too. This years festival's a lot cheaper (see my signature). I'm involved with some website stuff only through contacts made last year. And now I've made even more.

Of course you can do nothing but send scripts out. But you risk it taking a lot longer and also for it get dated or already done as a result. Sorry for the essay!

Sound advice.

If you want to be a writer then you have to keep plugging away. As the above says, there are loads of scripts waiting to be read.

A little anicdote: When I was Comedy Consultant for Yorkshire TV (Posh name for comedy script reader...) I had 2 or 3 scripts landing on my mat nearly every morning for 2 years -about 500 scripts acually and in that 500, only 2 were seriously worth considering to put forward to the network (That's not to say that 498 were bad - some were very good but were not what the Network were looking for, rightly or wrongly - very strong comedy writers from the past were not best pleased to be rejected).

Execs want shows that they think will work - I've said it before in a forum, these people can't read scripts!! They will go with clones of what have worked before - that status quo will continue until somebody fresh breaks through - God alone knows how that happens -as Geoffrey Rush says in "Shakespeare in Love" 'It's a mystery'. At the end of the day, you have to tap into the zeitgeist and write what they want. If you don't want to do that, then that's ok, keep writing what you want to write and hope that the zeitgeist comes round to your way of thinking one day - it might. The bummer is, of course, that somebody else might be working on a similar idea to you and as they have a track record (or is called Ricky Gervais) and be first to get to the Controller of Comedy - that's showbiz.
Good luck

Quote: Roy Gould @ September 9 2010, 1:29 PM BST

(That's not to say that 498 were bad - some were very good but were not what the Network were looking for, rightly or wrongly - very strong comedy writers from the past were not best pleased to be rejected).

No one likes being rejected, Roy, I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Do you mean they were there to be annoyed, as opposed to someone you had to write to?

At the end of the day, you have to tap into the zeitgeist and write what they want. If you don't want to do that, then that's ok, keep writing what you want to write and hope that the zeitgeist comes round to your way of thinking one day - it might. The bummer is, of course, that somebody else might be working on a similar idea to you and as they have a track record (or is called Ricky Gervais) and be first to get to the Controller of Comedy - that's showbiz.
Good luck

What is it about 'tapping into the zeitgeist' that I hate so much?

Quote: Tim Azure @ September 9 2010, 2:04 PM BST

What is it about 'tapping into the zeitgeist' that I hate so much?

Is it the typing?

The zeitgeist is SO yesterday...

Today is yesterdays' tomorrow though.

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