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Quote: SlagA @ November 12, 2007, 9:19 PM

Expensive? Before the advent of DV maybe so, but now not neccesarily the case. Equipment costs fall all the time. Personnel costs? Many non-working actors are willing to do a low-paid / unpaid job in between work, if it's better than sitting in the house (The recent Ray Burdiss video on YouTube is an example of a big name doing freebies.)

An example of a script that died on its ass, getting little interest, until a cheap filmed version was put before TV people? Wasn't that The Office?

So they all started off as big as they are now? With the same power and connections? Did they always come with massive backing and channel interest or did they grow? I don't know, you tell me.

Do we really all believe that no one was interested in The Office? The first ever incarnation of The Office was on tape (Seedy Boss) so interest was drummed up that way, rather than with a script. Also, it was BBC backed from the start so it's not like it was a small company.

And filming costs do add up, editing can cost a fortune.

Did those people start out big? No, all started as stand ups and that's not what most of us are, so it's not the same.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ November 12, 2007, 10:10 PM

I dont understand why your being so negative about it, it seems very odd, and a bit pointless. Of course its an opportunity, having any sort of production company get behind you is better than having no production company behind you, I mean that seems pretty obvious to me. If these people decide to try and develop something one of us send them, then that would actually be a good thing, whether theyre a big company or not. And of course a channel would commision something from a small company, if they like whats being offered, sure theyd be more inclined to take stuff from the big boys, but if they like what they see your telling me that no channel would have a go just because the production company theyre dealing with isnt Baby Cow? This is an opportunity! A company actively looking for new writers! This is a good thing!!

That's not quite what I'm saying.

To get stuff commissioned/made it needs to have a channel interested. So before anything is shot, either BBC 1 or 2, or C4 have to be thinking about taking it on. But they've got a million big comedy companies with big writers and big name stars vying for new shows too - who are they going to consider more seriously?

That's all I'm saying. I just want to give a balance view of how tihngs work before people start spending their millions!

Quote: SlagA @ November 12, 2007, 8:26 PM

Gordon Bennett, ladies and gentlemen, we writers complain about the lack of opportunities and when someone comes knocking we ... complain? Bloody writers for you, eh?

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Take every opportunity as if it's the last.

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Seefacts you seem way too negative. Wasn't it also you before who said that we all wasn't really happy that Sam Caine was getting far with his script at Baby Cow? You said that we were all pretending to be happy for him but were really bitter and jealous? (If that wasn't you I apologise)

But I really don't see how this can be a bad thing. It's a producer (no matter how small-time) who is willing to read our work and comment on it and if interested possibly get it filmed. And production companies will and do film things without a network's decision beforehand. If the company really sees potential in the script, they will get it filmed and then that can be showcased around to various networks.

Quote: Martin Holmes @ November 12, 2007, 10:53 PM

Seefacts you seem way too negative. Wasn't it also you before who said that we all wasn't really happy that Sam Caine was getting far with his script at Baby Cow? You said that we were all pretending to be happy for him but were really bitter and jealous? (If that wasn't you I apologise)

But I really don't see how this can be a bad thing. It's a producer (no matter how small-time) who is willing to read our work and comment on it and if interested possibly get it filmed. And production companies will and do film things without a network's decision beforehand. If the company really sees potential in the script, they will get it filmed and then that can be showcased around to various networks.

That was me, but it was half in jest - hope it didn't make me seem a tit.

It's no bad thing, but I'm just very sceptical by nature. This business is tough, we all know that. I just think no one should get too excited with this whole thing - it doesn't just fall into your lap.

I can see both sides of the argument here. I would say that if you've just developed something new then don't send it here. Go to BabyCow or one of the more established companies who you can trust will make it a top-notch production, first.

If you've got something that didn't quite make the grade elsewhere then it is worth a punt on this company. They are new to comedy so its a risk for you but its also more likely that they'll take a risk on you.

Quote: Martin Holmes @ November 12, 2007, 10:53 PM

Seefacts you seem way too negative. Wasn't it also you before who said that we all wasn't really happy that Sam Caine was getting far with his script at Baby Cow? You said that we were all pretending to be happy for him but were really bitter and jealous? (If that wasn't you I apologise)

Does anyone know how he's getting on with it?

This whole debate made me realise I was missing a trick by being anonymous, so here's a plug for my new profile.

Just on the topic of The Office and Ricky Gervais, I get really annoyed at the way the BBC try and make out that he was some unknown...he had his own, self-titled show on Channel4 before he made The Office for gawd's sake, which ran (if I remember rightly) for at least two series!

I think Gervais only did one series of his chatshow, but you're right about him being a known commodity. Not just with his own show, but with his appearances on the 11 O'clock show. Still, you can't blame the beeb for rewiting history.

follow every lead. you never know where it will end up.

They just sent me some very helpful feedback on my 'Worth More Dead' script. They have given me permission to post it here. It reads thusly:
Firstly, read the attached ‘benchmark’ script of ‘2 pints ..’ (or download some others from BBC Writers Room’s website) to get a better understanding of what elements you put in a script, how, when and to what extent you deliver the essential (and ONLY the essential) information to describe what is going to happen in the scene. No music, no angles, no trespassing, unless it’s necessary for the progression of the story line. Your scene and action description are sometimes very confusing. You’re putting scenes into scenes and disregard the necessity of establishing the different locations.

With regards to the story: You’ve devised a comedy drama (not a sitcom) about a man who fakes his own ‘accidental’ death as means to escape his financial difficulties. It has potential to be funny albeit not overly original. But I think you haven’t distilled the maximum comedy output from the situations you’ve setup yet. There’s a lot more work to be done on the story before it will work.


Primarily you have a Fugitive situation where Derek will never be able to reunite with his wife. That’s rather tragic (unless you change it so that’s she’s in on the scam from the beginning, and their common efforts generate the comedy), you have a limited storyline as it must end with Derek either giving up or getting caught. You’re dependent on bringing in new characters the whole time in order to keep the storyline developing away from a repetitive cat ‘n mouse game. But the lack of connection between the main characters make it very difficult to sustain a long run. Sitcom demands (mis)communication between a set of given characters making life difficult for themselves because of their given circumstances, mindset or inability to change. But central is exchange of dialogue. You’ve cut that out, and the chance that you get caught up in a slapstick comedy with one-liners is very likely.

So before you send us the next script ask yourself if it is a sitcom. Is it properly formatted. Is it full of gags, witty dialogue, and LOL situations. We actually count the laughs on each page and mark them on a scale from 1 to 3.

It all boils down to what is hidden in the text. Is it original, does it have its own tone, is it fresh, well-crafted, structured, funny dialogue and gags, good characters and a potential for many episodes? It’s all in the text.

Hope you find that helpful too!

Wow that's pretty good, they seem very professional and keen to help. Hopefully I should receive some feedback on the script I sent soon.

Cheers for posting that Fred. Much appreciated.

Dan

Yes, thanks, Fred. My confidence in Screenplay Productions has taken quite an upturn having read that.

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