What do other leagues do re: foreign player numbers?
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Quote: Tuumble @ July 28 2010, 6:06 PM BSTWhere the Premier League's players come from (2009)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8182090.stm
I'm not saying that there should be 100% English players because that's plainly ridiculous but I don't think it unreasonable for 50% to at least be from the UK. The problem is that so many of the imports are proved to be no better than English players but because they are foreign it adds that little bit of glamour. It's not sexy to buy George Bishop from Doncaster Rovers compared to Juan Hernandez from Botafogo
Although I don't agree with your stance on this. This is another problems with stopping overseas player and that is EU employment law.
Quote: bigfella @ July 28 2010, 7:32 PM BSTAlthough I don't agree with your stance on this. This is another problems with stopping overseas player and that is EU employment law.
EU employment law might be law but that doesn't mean that it should be enforced in every instance - not all jobs are the same so blanket legislation isn't going to work. The rules have to be different for sport surely because anyone in a normal career isn't going to be in a position to be selected for their country whether it's as a dental nurse or a graphic designer. There has to be support for the sport in the home country or it'll die.
I would prefer an English England manager but I don't care that much because I'd rather England do well. But where are the English coaches? No-one is given a chance because no-one has had top flight experience because clubs are installing those that have proved themselves overseas. If an English coach can't prove themselves in their own country, what chance do they have?
You only have to look at the list potential England managers to see just how bare the cupboard is. I like Harry Redknapp and Roy Hodgson but they're not young men any more.
http://www.online-betting-guide.co.uk/next-england-manager.htm
Harry Redknapp
Stuart Pearce
Martin O'Neill
Marcelo Lippi
Jose Mourinho
Arsene Wenger
Roy Hodgson
Guus Hiddink
Sam Allardyce
David Beckham
Frank Rijkaard
Steve Bruce
Jurgen Klinsmann
Martin Jol
Luis Scolari
Alan Shearer
On the BBC website....
Tottenham's teenage midfielder John Bostock believes his progress is being damaged by foreign players in the English game. The 18-year-old, who was on loan at Brentford last season, wants another loan move as he has only made three substitute appearances for Spurs in two years. (Various)
Quote: Tuumble @ July 29 2010, 8:04 AM BSTOn the BBC website....
Tottenham's teenage midfielder John Bostock believes his progress is being damaged by foreign players in the English game. The 18-year-old, who was on loan at Brentford last season, wants another loan move as he has only made three substitute appearances for Spurs in two years. (Various)
It's his own fault. He played for Crystal Palace as early as 15 but couldn't wait to get out of there. Then, he could have joined Barcelona or even Arsenal but instead joined Spurs for a fat pay cheque. So when Spurs promptly scrapped their reserve team, he found himself being shipped out to Brentford on loan, in a lower league than Palace.
The problem with players like him is that they think they've made it as soon as they've signed their big contract and from that point onwards put no real effort into enhancing their own careers by improving their game.
Quote: Tuumble @ July 28 2010, 6:06 PM BSTIt's not sexy to buy George Bishop from Doncaster Rovers compared to Juan Hernandez from Botafogo
That reminds me of when Marco Delvecchio came out and said how Roma fans didn't appreciate his contribution to the team, but if he had a more exciting foreign name like Alan Shearer, they would love him.
Quote: Splodge @ July 29 2010, 9:35 AM BSTThat reminds me of when Marco Delvecchio came out and said how Roma fans didn't appreciate his contribution to the team, but if he had a more exciting foreign name like Alan Shearer, they would love him.
Is that true? I sooo hope that's true. 
North Korea's football squad have been subjected to a public humiliation in the wake of their World Cup failure.
The team lost all three games in South Africa, where they were making their first World Cup finals appearance since 1966.
They took the stage at the People's Palace of Culture in the capital Pyongyang while 400 students subjected them to a six-hour reprimand.
Reports claim coach Kim Jong-Hun was made to work on a building site and expelled from the Workers' Party of Korea.
He was blamed for "betraying the trust of Kim Jong-Un", one of dictator Kim Jong-Il's sons, after the country went into the tournament with high hopes of qualifying from the so-called 'Group of Death'.
The criticism was led by Ri Dong-Kyu, a commentator for state TV, which made the 7-0 drubbing at the hands of Portugal its first ever live sports broadcast.
The decision to show the game live came in the wake of an encouraging 2-1 defeat to Brazil. North Korea lost their final game 3-0 to Ivory Coast.
Radio Free Asia claimed the dressing-down took place on July 2, but news only leaked out of the famously secretive country this week.
Japanese-born pair Jong Tae-Se and An Yong-Hak escaped censure, flying straight to Japan from South Korea.
A source from South Korea's intelligence community told the Chosun Ilbo newspaper: "In the past, North Korean athletes and coaches who performed badly were sent to prison camps.
"Considering the high hopes North Koreans had for the World Cup, the regime could have done worse things to the team than just reprimand them for their ideological shortcomings."
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/29072010/58/world-cup-2010-north-korean-flops-shamed-public.html
I don't think it matters where the players are from, I just want to see good footballers playing regardless of where they're from. And does it really influence the national team? Foreign players only really became noticeable in English football in the mid 1990's. Before then the vast majority of players in England were English. Were England a superpower at international level before the mid 90's? No. Yes they won the World Cup in 1966 and from there on, but the only noticable tournament was a World Cup Semi Final in 1990. Before the import of foreign players, Carlton Palmer was a regular in the England squad. Would he really be one today? And has the English game improved since all the foreign imports entered? I think it has.
And it's the same everywhere, not just England. As football has become more globalised, there is a majority of foreign footballers in every league. Just look at Inter Milan's starting XI for this years Champions League Final victory over Bayern Munich:
Cesar- Brazillian
Maicon-Brazillian
Lucio- Brazillian
Samuel- Argentinian
Chivu- Serbian
Zannetti- Argentinian
Sneijder- Dutch
Cambdiasso- Argentinian
Eto'o- Cameroonian
Milito- Argentinian
Pandev- Macedonian.
Quote: Tuumble @ July 29 2010, 8:04 AM BSTOn the BBC website....
Tottenham's teenage midfielder John Bostock believes his progress is being damaged by foreign players in the English game. The 18-year-old, who was on loan at Brentford last season, wants another loan move as he has only made three substitute appearances for Spurs in two years. (Various)
If he was good enough, then he'd be in the Spurs team. He's not good enough, simple as that, so you're saying we just limit foreign players so 'average' footballers from England can make it into teams. No, it would be disastrous for football. A manager should be able to pick whoever he wants, he should be able to pick his best team, not be forced into picking players due to their nationality.
Quote: Chappers @ July 27 2010, 9:48 PM BSTThey only allow about 5 foreign players per team.
I don't think that's happening in Italy now Chappers, have you read the starting XI in this years CL final.
Quote: Jack Massey @ July 29 2010, 7:47 PM BSTI don't think it matters where the players are from, I just want to see good footballers playing regardless of where they're from. And does it really influence the national team? Foreign players only really became noticeable in English football in the mid 1990's. Before then the vast majority of players in England were English. Were England a superpower at international level before the mid 90's? No. Yes they won the World Cup in 1966 and from there on, but the only noticable tournament was a World Cup Semi Final in 1990. Before the import of foreign players, Carlton Palmer was a regular in the England squad. Would he really be one today? And has the English game improved since all the foreign imports entered? I think it has.
And it's the same everywhere, not just England. As football has become more globalised, there is a majority of foreign footballers in every league. Just look at Inter Milan's starting XI for this years Champions League Final victory over Bayern Munich:
Cesar- Brazillian
Maicon-Brazillian
Lucio- Brazillian
Samuel- Argentinian
Chivu- Serbian
Zannetti- Argentinian
Sneijder- Dutch
Cambdiasso- Argentinian
Eto'o- Cameroonian
Milito- Argentinian
Pandev- Macedonian.
I was thinking the exact same thing. It's that typical British/English attitude to blame foreigners for everything.
It's nothing to do with EU employment law. They can employ as many as they like. However competition rules could dictate they play 5 English players.
What would that achieve, in your opinion, Dave?
Quote: Ben @ July 29 2010, 9:10 PM BSTWhat would that achieve, in your opinion, Dave?
Get rid of second and third rate foreigners and help our kids get to a higher level.
How ridiculous is it that England's first choice goalie may not even be in his club's first team?
Maybe he should be better?
Hodgson off to a winning start with second string team.
In other news:
Spurs look like they may do an 'Everton' in Europe